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Nobody was confusing Texas with California. Both have grid issues, neither are the devil, and neither are perfect.
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You said "California can't keep its grid up during the summer and winter reliably," which is inaccurate to say the least.
I have never once, in 25+ years of living here, heard of the California grid going down in the winter the way Texas' did recently.
Power outages in the summer, as I stated before, tend to be targeted to high risk areas on particularly windy days because PG&E has been mismanaged for decades now.
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10-03-2022, 11:28 AM
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At these prices a Rav4 hybrid would save me about $3500/ year in gas. Cablegate (power cable corrosion) makes me have second thoughts.
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10-03-2022, 11:57 AM
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10-03-2022, 12:38 PM
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Will you switch to an electric vehicle that a replacement battery for cost 25 to 30K
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10-03-2022, 01:16 PM
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You said "California can't keep its grid up during the summer and winter reliably," which is inaccurate to say the least.
I have never once, in 25+ years of living here, heard of the California grid going down in the winter the way Texas' did recently.
Power outages in the summer, as I stated before, tend to be targeted to high risk areas on particularly windy days because PG&E has been mismanaged for decades now.
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And in the time that I lived in California, rural areas had issues so large cities could maintain their power.
So, who's experience is more valid, the person that lived in California and experienced issues or the person who lived in California and only experienced some issues?
It's not an us versus them situation. The USA's (as in EVERYONE) grid is vulnerable, everyone everywhere has issues and it cannot support a switch to EV without serious work.
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10-03-2022, 05:15 PM
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And in the time that I lived in California, rural areas had issues so large cities could maintain their power.
So, who's experience is more valid, the person that lived in California and experienced issues or the person who lived in California and only experienced some issues?
It's not an us versus them situation. The USA's (as in EVERYONE) grid is vulnerable, everyone everywhere has issues and it cannot support a switch to EV without serious work.
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This. The grid as is desperately needs upgrades just to maintain status quo. Accomplishing a changeover to renewable sources while growing it to accommodate the added demand from electric vehicles is unlikely (to put it kindly).
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10-05-2022, 03:30 AM
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I suggest you read the actual language: https://ww2.arb.ca.gov/sites/default...rores22-12.pdf
"Whereas, even under the ACC II regulations, remaining internal-combustion engine, or conventional, vehicles may continue to be used on California’s roads well beyond 2035; and PHEVs that include combustion engines may continue to be sold and used after 2035;"
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PHEVs are not gas powered cars, They are golf carts with a small gas powered auxiliary motor to keep the Energizer bunny hopping along for a few more feet.
Comparing that to vehicles that 95% of people are driving today is a complete joke.
EDIT: removed personal attack.
As long as I maintain my 4Runner it should run for as long as I can drive. The price of a gallon is edging closer to that $8 mark every day in the original post. $6.60 a gallon as of now at my closest Chevron station.
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10-05-2022, 07:56 AM
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For all of you that like the idea of an electric vehicle/can afford an alectric vehicle/think the USA is ready or capable of making the switch to all electric vehicles, may you all be blessed.
I will never own one.
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10-05-2022, 09:56 AM
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Personally, i think that EVs are GREAT as a 2nd car or weekend car. But i would imagine in the foreseeable future, i will always have an ICE vehicle at home.
Like a broken record, my FAVORITE “concept” is the Ford F150 Hybrid. I wish that Toyota took a chapter from Ford and make a Tundra Hybrid with on-board power generator like the F150.
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10-05-2022, 11:37 AM
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All this discussion about EVs and the challenges they present and that's just for commuting and errands. Put offroading and towing on the table and it will be a long time before an affordable, viable option is available absent some quantum leaps in technology.
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10-05-2022, 08:37 PM
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PHEVs are not gas powered cars, They are golf carts with a small gas powered auxiliary motor to keep the Energizer bunny hopping along for a few more feet..
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I've only looked at two PHEVs and that statement is true for neither.
The RAV4 Prime has the same engine as the regular hybrid Rav4. a 2.5l 4cyl.
Same for the Lexus version.
The BMW X5 PHEV has a 3.0 V6.
And using the gas motor to "keep the Energizer bunny hopping along for a few more feet" isn't how the cars work. They'll either give you the ~30 around town as EV and then switch to hybrid mode when needed, or just do a more efficient back and forth between EV and gas - just like a regular hybrid only with more battery. They don't just run the EV out of juice then limp home on gas.
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10-05-2022, 10:44 PM
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PHEVs are not gas powered cars, They are golf carts with a small gas powered auxiliary motor to keep the Energizer bunny hopping along for a few more feet.
Comparing that to vehicles that 95% of people are driving today is a complete joke.
EDIT: removed personal attack.
As long as I maintain my 4Runner it should run for as long as I can drive. The price of a gallon is edging closer to that $8 mark every day in the original post. $6.60 a gallon as of now at my closest Chevron station.
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My point of reference is driving a PHEV Range Rover, which was a rather enjoyable experience. If more PHEV vehicles drive like that, I don't think it'll be too bad.
For those, like you, that prefer gasoline powered vehicles, you can continue to enjoy another 13 years of new, purely gas-powered vehicle production and an entire used car market of purely gas-powered vehicles thereafter.
If that's not enough, you can also move to a different state. That's one of many benefits of living in the USA
OPEC and Russia just agreed to cut production of oil to increase prices further. I personally want to no longer fund, enrich, or rely on those countries. Having seen friends powering EVs via purely solar power (via rooftop solar) is something magical and I wish I could do the same right now.
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10-05-2022, 10:49 PM
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All this discussion about EVs and the challenges they present and that's just for commuting and errands. Put offroading and towing on the table and it will be a long time before an affordable, viable option is available absent some quantum leaps in technology.
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Do you think it's fair to compare 100+ years of gas-powered vehicle production to the relatively nascent, 10-year old EV vehicle production?
Were gasoline powered vehicles anywhere near as amazing as they are now 10 years after they were invented? Networks of gas stations as vast? Of course not. These things take time to develop.
Battery tech will continue to improve (I have friends with engineering PhDs working to make this happen), efficiency will improve, charging networks will improve, and before you know it EVs will be as carefree to drive as their current counterparts.
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10-05-2022, 11:46 PM
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Probably but would probably get an electric moto for the trips I didn't need the full vehicle.
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10-06-2022, 03:01 AM
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Do you think it's fair to compare 100+ years of gas-powered vehicle production to the relatively nascent, 10-year old EV vehicle production?
Were gasoline powered vehicles anywhere near as amazing as they are now 10 years after they were invented? Networks of gas stations as vast? Of course not. These things take time to develop.
Battery tech will continue to improve (I have friends with engineering PhDs working to make this happen), efficiency will improve, charging networks will improve, and before you know it EVs will be as carefree to drive as their current counterparts.
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I have no problem with that at all and encourage it. In fact what you posted it exactly what is wrong with what the current very corrupt political regime. They are making millions pushing it NOW at all costs while the technology is slowly making it's way forward.
Solar is great for many things. In fact I have two high power solar fans to keep my attic and garage cool. I also have a back yard koi pond that has 2 100W panels with deep cell batteries to keep the pumps running all night.
I am not opposed to solar. I am opposed to our corrupt politicians that are willing to kill our economy to make mandates that are not near ready for prime time. They know few people want or can afford them so they push this crap to look good knowing they will in no way have to do this themselves.
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