Originally Posted by whitetrooper

US has oil in the ground and in the bottom of the ocean. US can extract oil if it needs to considering all environmenatal concerns areput aside.

Originally Posted by TK-422

It is not the same in SoCal 40miles north of Los Angeles.

In the last two years we have had multiple outages year round. Sometimes for days. Usually there is no status from PG&E but they are starting to get a little better about notifications of outages and how long they will last.

I have gone thru 3 40Lb tanks and half a 20 Lb tank of propane to keep my small generator running over this time. That will not run HVAC, just the small stuff.

It is not just my small area. It is about a 150 square mile area with thousands of homes.

A couple weeks ago Our Gov outlawed all gas vehicle purchases after 2035. You can bet he will have himself exempt by his past performances.

A few days later we had another state wide Flex Alert warning people not to run their AC or any appliances from 4PM to 9PM and not to charge their EVs. This went on for 10 days.

An EV takes more power than a typical house AC to charge. How in the wide world of sports can you think millions of them charging at all hours of the day will not bring the badly maintained grid down to it's knees in the next few years?

Originally Posted by engineeer

If you're out in the sticks, then yeah you might have issues. That is a risk no matter which state you're in.

Gas vehicle purchases are not outlawed after 2035. "100% of new cars and light trucks sold in California will be zero-emission vehicles, including plug-in hybrid electric vehicles" means no more new vehicles that are strictly fuel powered. All manner of gas and diesel powered vehicles will still be on the roads at that time and it's going to take probably another 20 years beyond 2035 until those vehicles are off the road.

You're also replying to a post about the current state of affairs and talking about what you project the state of affairs to be 13+ years from now.

Originally Posted by Bluesky 07

The question of having an insufficient power grid to support these lofty goals remains unresolved.

Originally Posted by Bluesky 07

The question of having an insufficient power grid to support these lofty goals remains unresolved.

Originally Posted by engineeer

If you're out in the sticks, then yeah you might have issues. That is a risk no matter which state you're in.

Gas vehicle purchases are not outlawed after 2035. "100% of new cars and light trucks sold in California will be zero-emission vehicles, including plug-in hybrid electric vehicles" means no more new vehicles that are strictly fuel powered. All manner of gas and diesel powered vehicles will still be on the roads at that time and it's going to take probably another 20 years beyond 2035 until those vehicles are off the road.

You're also replying to a post about the current state of affairs and talking about what you project the state of affairs to be 13+ years from now.

Originally Posted by engineeer

Which is not what was being discussed. I was originally replying to someone in Louisiana who is confusing Texas and California.

Originally Posted by engineeer

Which is not what was being discussed. I was originally replying to someone in Louisiana who is confusing Texas and California.

Originally Posted by TK-422

Not hardly the sticks. I'm in a city of 212K just North of LA. 250K if you count the unincorporated houses. The power outages included many other cities in the area.

NEW gas vehicle purchases are absolutely outlawed after 2035 from our evil dictator. You can bet if dumb ass Californians keep voting democrat they will also include buying new and used vehicles from out of state.

If you think that in 13 years the state will improve the grid to have 1000 times more power while turning completely green and be sustainable with the way they have treated it in the last 20 you are going to run out of juice for your bong.