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I've driven one for ~1500 miles, of that only maybe 100 miles were hard surface roads. In the dirt - it rides a lot like an 80 series on high load springs. It's rough. It rattles and shakes the hell out of everything inside at speed on washboard. They're very similar in design, weight, etc. The older leaf spring versions were probably more like any other leaf spring solid axle vehicle.

The things you forget until you drive one is the things like bump steer. It's not horrible. But it's not as nice as what you're used to with an IFS ride.
Yeah, i like to keep my kidneys where they are at....
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Let’s see how all those vehicles last? Days stuck in service bay waiting for parts....

For first six months of my brother’s Ford Raptor ownership, it spent more time at dealership than in his garage.

Good luck with that plan Jetboy.

I will keep trucking along in my old reliable Cruiser....
I'd probably still take a Ford over a Mercedes Sprinter. I've done the Mercedes thing. Once. - HFS it was a rolling turd of a car. Never ever will I own another, except maybe a Unimog. I'd make an exception for that.

Haven't owned a Ford of any flavor since the 90's. I did buy Ford stock the day details leaked about the new Bronco. Someone at Ford is actually listening to what customers want and building it. Even if it is Ford quality. At least Ford is trying.
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I'd probably still take a Ford over a Mercedes Sprinter. I've done the Mercedes thing. Once. - HFS it was a rolling turd of a car. Never ever will I own another, except maybe a Unimog. I'd make an exception for that.

Haven't owned a Ford of any flavor since the 90's. I did buy Ford stock the day details leaked about the new Bronco. Someone at Ford is actually listening to what customers want and building it. Even if it is Ford quality. At least Ford is trying.
I have been thinking a long time about owning a Rubicon...i am a huge fan of it. But, day in day out, i know that it would grow old quickly. I have a family. I don’t rock crawl anymore. What i do nowadays is sight seeing with family on road trips and going to far off places to enjoy nature before i get too old.

Durability/reliability and comfort are my main priorities. I am in no mood nor do i have the knowledge to fix things on the fly in the middle of nowhere. And i have no need for separate vehicles for each separate hobby. No thanks. I rather have one vehicle that can take care of all my needs.

I picked the LC because of Toyota philosophy with LC200:

Land Cruiser Chief Engineer Sadayoshi Koyari explains: “For almost 60 years now, three key words have been the basis of each Land Cruiser generation: strength, durability and reliability. With the new Land Cruiser V8 we were determined to recognise the loyalty of Land Cruiser customers by providing a vehicle that will never betray their trust.”
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I've been really seriously looking at swapping the 4R for an LC200 for many of the same reasons. I'm not doing as much offroad travel. The LC200 is a tough call for me. And candidly a big part of the issue is that I'm not sure I can accept the ethics of driving a 13mpg vehicle as a daily driver. Is that really okay to do? To me it matters enough that I'd have to at least think about buying another car so the LC200 would not be daily driven. For now - I'm working from home. And my current office is only a couple miles from home, so I ride my bike a lot of days. But there's something to be recognized about how poor the LC200 really is in fuel efficiency. It's pretty terrible by any standard.

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I've been really seriously looking at swapping the 4R for an LC200 for many of the same reasons. I'm not doing as much offroad travel. The LC200 is a tough call for me. And candidly a big part of the issue is that I'm not sure I can accept the ethics of driving a 13mpg vehicle as a daily driver. Is that really okay to do? To me it matters enough that I'd have to at least think about buying another car so the LC200 would not be daily driven. For now - I'm working from home. And my current office is only a couple miles from home, so I ride my bike a lot of days. But there's something to be recognized about how poor the LC200 really is in fuel efficiency. It's pretty terrible by any standard.
I average around 15 in mixed driving...i do have BFG KO2. BUT i do not drive aggressively.

LC200 takes REGULAR gas. A MB G550 gets same mileage on premium gas. My old Lexus GX gets 18 mpg mixed...but that takes premium. My brother’s Raptor gets 18 i think...and that takes premium.

So, nah, i am good. No losing sleep due to violating any ethic standards.
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At least with the LC200 you get some power to go with the shitty mileage.

That was my biggest hope for the LC300 - even moderately decent fuel efficiency. I've been holding out on doing anything until it came out. Now that it's DOA, I guess I'm just waiting to see what happens with the Tundra. If it's a turbo6 hybrid that gets 30mpg - I'll go that route. If not - maybe a cheap used LX570 and a Model 3.
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At least with the LC200 you get some power to go with the shitty mileage.

That was my biggest hope for the LC300 - even moderately decent fuel efficiency. I've been holding out on doing anything until it came out. Now that it's DOA, I guess I'm just waiting to see what happens with the Tundra. If it's a turbo6 hybrid that gets 30mpg - I'll go that route. If not - maybe a cheap used LX570 and a Model 3.
But LX uses premium gas.............
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I don't really care much about the cost of the fuel. It's the pollution.

I assume the lx can run the same fuel as the LC.
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I don't really care much about the cost of the fuel. It's the pollution.
Your picture has a carbureted and un-catalyzed vehicle in it. The "pollution" you generate with that heap is probably more than a whole fleet of modern vehicles.
Put your money where your mouth is. Truck that thing to a crusher.
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Wish we had the opportunity to buy those in the states, but apparantly if US citizenry own them then the planet will die from the exhaust, and the driver is unsafe and will die from something or other...
I suppose living in the States, and having a small farm en Costa Rica, makes this truck perfect for the mostly unpaved road driving I will be doing, as well as water fording.
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Your picture has a carbureted and un-catalyzed vehicle in it. The "pollution" you generate with that heap is probably more than a whole fleet of modern vehicles.
Put you money where you mouth is. Truck that thing to a crusher.
It only burns a few gallons of fuel per year. Bad gas in the tank is one of the biggest maintenance issues with it. That's one of the primary reasons I've been kicking around re-powering it with a Model S mid mounted motor system. Prices keep going down on the motors and battery packs. I use it so rarely in the last few years it's pretty low on my priority list. Either way, it's a non-issue pollution wise. I have a camp fire once in a while too...

If I were daily driving it - sure, it would be a poor choice. That's one of many reasons it's not a daily driver. Or even a weekly driver.
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I've been really seriously looking at swapping the 4R for an LC200 for many of the same reasons. I'm not doing as much offroad travel. The LC200 is a tough call for me. And candidly a big part of the issue is that I'm not sure I can accept the ethics of driving a 13mpg vehicle as a daily driver. Is that really okay to do? To me it matters enough that I'd have to at least think about buying another car so the LC200 would not be daily driven. For now - I'm working from home. And my current office is only a couple miles from home, so I ride my bike a lot of days. But there's something to be recognized about how poor the LC200 really is in fuel efficiency. It's pretty terrible by any standard.
The MPG’s is also why I’ve held off...I can’t justify trading in a perfectly capable 4Runner for twice the cost or mileage as I have on my 2015 to then get even worse mpg’s. Yes the power and build quality but need vs. want.

I’m hoping that the “killing-off” of the LC is actually just burying it for a couple of years while they develop an Uber-reliable “prime” type electric/gas turbo v6 hybrid (larger version of what is being released in the RAV4 prime). If they could do that to the stripped down LC that will be coming out in the other world markets as their LC300, and release a US version in 2025-2026, it would be perfect timing to upgrade my 2015 4Runner.

A man can still dream...

If not I pray the next Tundra or 4Runner has some sort of turbo 6 hybrid that gets mpg’s in at least upper-20’s.
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We Might Have Learned Why America May Not Get the New Toyota Land Cruiser

“CarsGuide says the new Land Cruiser, now reportedly expected to launch in September 2021, will have a range of engine options. Australians will get a 3.3-liter V6 turbodiesel; here will also be a turbocharged 3.5-liter V6 gas engine. Toyota also plans to offer hybrid versions of both.

According to the report, the redesign and multiple engine options mean the next Land Cruiser will, incredibly, be more expensive than the modern version. The report says the Japanese price will jump by 500,000 yen, which converts to a little under $5,000 U.S. The base price for the current Land Cruiser in America is $85,515; a corresponding price increase would see the price jump above $90,000.”



Back to basics LC300 is not. Seemingly, the Land Cruiser nameplate will always be a premium product.
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I've been really seriously looking at swapping the 4R for an LC200 for many of the same reasons. I'm not doing as much offroad travel. The LC200 is a tough call for me. And candidly a big part of the issue is that I'm not sure I can accept the ethics of driving a 13mpg vehicle as a daily driver. Is that really okay to do? To me it matters enough that I'd have to at least think about buying another car so the LC200 would not be daily driven. For now - I'm working from home. And my current office is only a couple miles from home, so I ride my bike a lot of days. But there's something to be recognized about how poor the LC200 really is in fuel efficiency. It's pretty terrible by any standard.
I had 2016 LC and refueling was just a constant reminder of how inefficient the engine is. The LC fuel tank is only 7% larger than a 4Runner, but LC mileage is 30% lower. I loved our LC especially since it fit our large family. It wasn't even our daily driver. But those frequent gas station visits just seemed wrong.
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All the talk about MPG's between the two seems kinda ridiculous.

LC 13/17mpg
4R 16/19mpg

Might as well be the same, they both suck for what they are... My 03' GMC Diesel got better mileage than either in a bigger heavier truck.
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