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Old 06-04-2021, 01:29 PM #1
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What would you replace a 5th Gen with?

With used prices as high as they are I can sell my T4R for more than I paid (I understand how ridiculous that is). I had already decided that aside from the roll down rear window (I'm a woodworker when I'm not staring at computers) the T4R isn't the best vehicle for me and my family. We're more of a road trip family than an offroad family now - it's fine, people change and we want an easy to drive and comfortable SUV about the size of the T4R.

The problem is that there's nothing I can think of in my price range <$60k that I want.
So, throwing out the idea of quality - we all believe that there's no car besides a Lexus that has the quality of a Toyota, what would you get instead of a 4Runner in the current market?
JGC is coming out with a new model next year so that means you wouldn't want to buy one until 2023 which rules that.
Lexus isn't coming out with a new GX until 2023 so that's also out.

What would you do if you were looking for something other than the 4Runner now?
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The new Acura MDX. Great SH-AWD system for all-weather and sporty driving. Roomy. Good on gas (but requires PREMIUM tho). Good handling for a big SUV. Excellent quality and reliability…my wife’s 2015 is at 115k miles…flawless…and i mean flawless, not a single damn rattle! (Contrast that to my rattle can Toyota Sienna!)
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200 series FTW. I'm selling my highly modded 2016 4Runner since I just picked up a 2013 Land Cruiser. I'm with you on the use of my vehicles, I'm more of a road trip, camping, adventure rig then off-roader. The 5.7L V8 purrs like a kitten and is so smooth on the open road. That being said the 200 can off-road like a boss too.
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I am looking at used mid model lc200 land cruisers now. I could kick myself for missing out on two in my area recently.
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Assuming I were out of offroading, I would sell the 4R and buy a Model Y. Of course, a CyberTruck would be much better but that's over 60k

Assuming, I were still into offroading but for some reason required to not own a Toyota, I would go Bronco with the full offroad package, the MSRP is around 54-55.

As is, I have no desire to spend on cars unless I must, I don't want to risk it with a non-Toyota product, and while I go fast within reason and do rocks within normal sizes, I am neither a racer nor a "serious" rock crawler, so I neither need a Raptor, nor a Rubicon, or a Bronco. I am happy as I am.

Now, when will that other 8100 series rear shock arrive...
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If you like the size of the 4R, but just want a more comfortable highway cruiser, I'd check out the Highlander. I believe its dimensions are similar, but more family/on road oriented. Maybe get a few nore bells and whistles too while keeping Toyota reliability.
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If you like the size of the 4R, but just want a more comfortable highway cruiser, I'd check out the Highlander. I believe its dimensions are similar, but more family/on road oriented. Maybe get a few nore bells and whistles too while keeping Toyota reliability.

Toyota does an EXCELLENT job with giving vehicles more trunk space than you’d seem to get from a vehicle that size. Perfect example 2nd Gen Toyota Prius.

What would you add in the way of features? I was surprised I got heated and cooled seats, car play, 4WD... I don’t feel I’m missing anything from the Range Rover I traded in.


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Assuming, I were still into offroading but for some reason required to not own a Toyota, I would go Bronco with the full offroad package, the MSRP is around 54-55.
I don’t know…for me, i rather get Rubicon 392…FULL-time 4wd system, solid axles, lockers everywhere, amazing articulation, along with long heritage.
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I don’t know…for me, i rather get Rubicon 392…FULL-time 4wd system, solid axles, lockers everywhere, amazing articulation, along with long heritage.
The 392’s are available even during COVID, unfortunately the reliability of any JL wrangler is suspect and the prices are off the charts. I am seeing non 392 rubicon’s for over 62k regularly nowadays.
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The 392’s are available even during COVID, unfortunately the reliability of any JL wrangler is suspect and the prices are off the charts. I am seeing non 392 rubicon’s for over 62k regularly nowadays.
Wrangler is actually not that bad in terms of reliability (unlike the rest of Jeep lineup)…and its resale value is top notch (easily on par with the best of Toyota). Reliability/durability ain’t Toyota’s level…BUT neither is Ford Bronco or anything else in that range not from Toyota.
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I like my 2019. No nanny system distractions.

Reliable and old school design for an old guy who appreciates those things.

Although its a bigger car, it's very comfortable and it handles the odd large item you need to drag home very well. Plenty of room to sleep in the back. Ability to go off script and off street, just an added bonus.

In 10 or 15 years I may sell the 4Runner and pick up an electric vehicle if it has better batteries than what they're using these days.

A self driving vehicle would be useful when I get really old.
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Wrangler is actually not that bad in terms of reliability (unlike the rest of Jeep lineup)…and its resale value is top notch (easily on par with the best of Toyota). Reliability/durability ain’t Toyota’s level…BUT neither is Ford Bronco or anything else in that range not from Toyota.
I spend time on the JL forum and the ridiculous failures that the buyers tolerate are unrealistic. Batteries, radio, electronics in general, bad welds, paint, tops are crap. I could go on, but it’s tiring. I understand that it’s complicated, but fix the crap that’s broke before releasing additional features and models. I am confident that my 4Runner will get me to my destination and return without being a burden.
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Wrangler is actually not that bad in terms of reliability (unlike the rest of Jeep lineup)…and its resale value is top notch (easily on par with the best of Toyota). Reliability/durability ain’t Toyota’s level…BUT neither is Ford Bronco or anything else in that range not from Toyota.
I agree with all that.

However, the Bronco would suit me better vs Rubicon due to IFS and better off the shelf suspension.

Although I would not mind doing maybe a dozen rock crawling trails extra to what I would do in my 4R, I really don't need the extra rock crawling prowess of the Rubicon as that sport is just not interesting to me. And the Bronco would be a breeze on those dozen extra trails of interest to me anyway.

Anyway, moot point. I need and want my own 4R. The room and payload are important to me and the capability is plenty enough for what I need with careful driving in bigger rocks. Most importantly, we go solo and I cannot take chances with silly problems coming out of the blue in the middle of nowhere.
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I spend time on the JL forum and the ridiculous failures that the buyers tolerate are unrealistic. Batteries, radio, electronics in general, bad welds, paint, tops are crap. I could go on, but it’s tiring. I understand that it’s complicated, but fix the crap that’s broke before releasing additional features and models. I am confident that my 4Runner will get me to my destination and return without being a burden.
My LC’s climate panel just went dead. CD player not reading disc. Not exactly legendary reliability. I hope that this is the only issue going forward.
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