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Old 07-29-2021, 09:04 PM #16
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I’m in a similar spot. I have 2 step daughters and a dog. I would like the possibility to have space for an additional human to comfortably ride. More power would be great. Something different. But if I do sell, I am going tundra.


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Anyone else just bored with their 4runner? Everywhere I look here in the PNW, everyone has one that's modified and tricked out with similar accessories. I'm probably going to sell my 2010, tastefully modified, low mileage 4runner. The final straw was taking my fiancé, two kids, dog and off-road trailer, camping to the Marble mountains in NoCal. The lack of power, head/leg room and storage is getting to me.

I've owned this for 6 years now and it's been a great rig for overlanding and camping, but I'm recently engaged and am going to be a step dad to 2 young kiddos who are only going to get bigger and a second dog coming in August.

I'm seriously considering an older Land Rover LR3 or maybe an older Land Cruiser. Really need that additional power and space. The LR3 appeals to me in many ways...power, towing capacity, comfort, lot's of room and not many modified versions on the road. The LC is just a staple, hard working, dependable, larger version of the 4runner in my opinion. More of these on the road that are modded, but much less common than the 4runner.

Anyone else tired of staring at their 4runner doppelgänger every time you get on the road? The dated motor and transmission is a topic of content here so that's already clear.

LOL, he said Land Rover! The Brits can't do reliability. The lack of such is a WELL worn trail of tears, because you'll be walking.
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this should solve the power problem.

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The real knock for me is the underwhelming performance of my 4runner's towing capacity. My off road trailer is probably 2200 lbs fully loaded and the 4runner really struggles when getting over the passes.
We tow a travel trailer with our 2016. Weighs in around 3500 probably with all the nonsense loaded in for campground camping. Add to that my wife, our 5 and 1 year old kids (both in bulky car seats) and the ice chest full of the weekend’s beverages and yeah I can see it’s crammed.

As for power: drop down to S (standard) mode and then you have waaaay more control of the gears. I tow in 4th all day long, and when a hill comes up I drop it to 3rd, maybe 2nd. Let the RPM’s climb and make the engine work. Redlines at like 6K doesn’t it?

Basically, it’s NEVER gonna win any races. But it WILL get you there. Just gonna walk up the hill, not sprint. Personally a fair trade off for consistent longevity numbers of these rides.

But if you’re bored, you’re bored. Or maybe you like the IDEA of overlanding more than the actual journey of what overlanding represents. Or maybe I’m just full of horse shit.
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If you're done you're done. And that's fine. It does make me laugh how it seems a lot of people complain about power in these rigs. Many of you have never done the same things we do with 4th and 5th gen 4Runners with a first gen. Talk about lack of power! I had many many older Toyota trucks with 22R's and 22RE's. Even one with a 22RET that wasn't anything great compared to what we have now. But I loved them and I love my 5th gen. I'll admit I did test drive a 2.7 Tacoma a few years back (and I had bought one new in 05 and loved it) and didn't buy it because it was just too damn slow. We get spoiled.
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Bored is bored...i understand...and sometimes you just want something new and fresh and those types of things.

Ill say what i say to anyone who has a wish to own a LR...i owned a Disco 2 bought used with 20K miles on it...i LOVED that rig, right up until i didnt. Yes, many will have the same cliche'd things to say about its reliability...the sad part about it is they would be right.

the thing is a beast in the dirt, on rocks, on the trail, in the snow...but when your alternator fails, or when your gaskets start to leak, or you get a failed cylinder, and the ONLY real place to go to get it fixed is the LR dealership, and that price hits you...you wonder why you didnt go back to a Toyota. My experience; it was the nicest thing i had ever owned, and the most capable for about 2 and a half years. when things started to break, it was an 'every 4 month' thing taking it back to get something fixed...and all while under 125,000 miles...vs my T4R which is at 130k and hasnt given me any issues since bought new in 2014. Just my 2 cents. Add to that, my LR is the ONLY vehicle ive ever owned that left me stranded (multiple times).

Are 4Runners the nicest, most interesting vehicles in the land, not even close. Their simplicity is their weakness for some, their charm for others. Do your research before you buy and see if the LR3 will not only give you what you are looking for in the NOW, but will not give you alot of what you dont need in 26 months...

I will say the idea of a Sequoia TRD sounds like a possible answer for you. All of the room in the world, the same 5.7 as in the Tundra and LC200s, Toyota reliability...if you can take a similar Toyota esthetic, i would say give them a look. i sat in one while at the dealership getting my Runner serviced, and was shocked. if i had one more kid (3 instead of 2), i would have bought one myself for the added room.
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If you're done you're done. And that's fine. It does make me laugh how it seems a lot of people complain about power in these rigs. Many of you have never done the same things we do with 4th and 5th gen 4Runners with a first gen. Talk about lack of power! I had many many older Toyota trucks with 22R's and 22RE's. Even one with a 22RET that wasn't anything great compared to what we have now. But I loved them and I love my 5th gen. I'll admit I did test drive a 2.7 Tacoma a few years back (and I had bought one new in 05 and loved it) and didn't buy it because it was just too damn slow. We get spoiled.

I’m right there with you. My old 4Runner is a 1995, was 3.0/automatic 4wd... absolute slug. So I proceeded to drop shit loads of time, money, effort and energy and went about the 3.4/manual swap... then supercharged it... then added the 7th injector... then took time to tune it...

And you know what? All that did was make it somewhat less slow. Still no where near fast. I wonder what people will expect in the next 20 years. 75 mpg and 400 horsepower
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We tow a travel trailer with our 2016. Weighs in around 3500 probably with all the nonsense loaded in for campground camping. Add to that my wife, our 5 and 1 year old kids (both in bulky car seats) and the ice chest full of the weekend’s beverages and yeah I can see it’s crammed.

As for power: drop down to S (standard) mode and then you have waaaay more control of the gears. I tow in 4th all day long, and when a hill comes up I drop it to 3rd, maybe 2nd. Let the RPM’s climb and make the engine work. Redlines at like 6K doesn’t it?

Basically, it’s NEVER gonna win any races. But it WILL get you there. Just gonna walk up the hill, not sprint. Personally a fair trade off for consistent longevity numbers of these rides.

But if you’re bored, you’re bored. Or maybe you like the IDEA of overlanding more than the actual journey of what overlanding represents. Or maybe I’m just full of horse shit.

Do almost exactly the same thing but no kids. Had to drop to 2nd for the first time last weekend climbing up to Boone, NC from the east. The 4Runner works great for us, I plan on putting 300K on my 2012 Limited.
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Bored is bored...i understand...and sometimes you just want something new and fresh and those types of things.

Ill say what i say to anyone who has a wish to own a LR...i owned a Disco 2 bought used with 20K miles on it...i LOVED that rig, right up until i didnt. Yes, many will have the same cliche'd things to say about its reliability...the sad part about it is they would be right.

the thing is a beast in the dirt, on rocks, on the trail, in the snow...but when your alternator fails, or when your gaskets start to leak, or you get a failed cylinder, and the ONLY real place to go to get it fixed is the LR dealership, and that price hits you...you wonder why you didnt go back to a Toyota. My experience; it was the nicest thing i had ever owned, and the most capable for about 2 and a half years. when things started to break, it was an 'every 4 month' thing taking it back to get something fixed...and all while under 125,000 miles...vs my T4R which is at 130k and hasnt given me any issues since bought new in 2014. Just my 2 cents. Add to that, my LR is the ONLY vehicle ive ever owned that left me stranded (multiple times).

Are 4Runners the nicest, most interesting vehicles in the land, not even close. Their simplicity is their weakness for some, their charm for others. Do your research before you buy and see if the LR3 will not only give you what you are looking for in the NOW, but will not give you alot of what you dont need in 26 months...

I will say the idea of a Sequoia TRD sounds like a possible answer for you. All of the room in the world, the same 5.7 as in the Tundra and LC200s, Toyota reliability...if you can take a similar Toyota esthetic, i would say give them a look. i sat in one while at the dealership getting my Runner serviced, and was shocked. if i had one more kid (3 instead of 2), i would have bought one myself for the added room.
That's a fair assessment. There's a real love/hate relationship associated with LR's. Especially the Disco 2. The LC is still a very nice option but I can't get over the aesthetic of the 99-2004ish body style...it's the front end. I'm trying to keep this budget under 20k so that's my range. Maybe it would grow on me. I'll say though, after looking at Sequoia's, there's a ton to be had with low mileage, 2008 and newer in my price range. These really fly under the radar. I'll give these a hard look as well.
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As for power: drop down to S (standard) mode and then you have waaaay more control of the gears. I tow in 4th all day long, and when a hill comes up I drop it to 3rd, maybe 2nd.
I thought you were always supposed to tow in the gear below the top b/c the top is essentially OD and you can burn your transmission out with it searching all the time.
I got this from my XJ, towing a trailer all through the Appalachians, and then ending up having to tow my XJ home behind a uhaul after the trans gave away b.c I was in OD.
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If you're done you're done. And that's fine. It does make me laugh how it seems a lot of people complain about power in these rigs. Many of you have never done the same things we do with 4th and 5th gen 4Runners with a first gen. Talk about lack of power! I had many many older Toyota trucks with 22R's and 22RE's. Even one with a 22RET that wasn't anything great compared to what we have now. But I loved them and I love my 5th gen. I'll admit I did test drive a 2.7 Tacoma a few years back (and I had bought one new in 05 and loved it) and didn't buy it because it was just too damn slow. We get spoiled.
Same here. I had a 1988 with the 22R-E, and fast wasn't anywhere in the owner's manual. But I could still run it at 90 on the interstate, and it went to 305k miles with zero engine problems. I traded in a 1984 Supra on that, and until my 5th Gen, the Supra was the fastest car I'd ever owned (and it wasn't a scorcher). The Gen5 beats the Supra to 60 by 1.2 seconds. So I'm happy with the power this thing has.
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Same here. I had a 1988 with the 22R-E, and fast wasn't anywhere in the owner's manual. But I could still run it at 90 on the interstate, and it went to 305k miles with zero engine problems. I traded in a 1984 Supra on that, and until my 5th Gen, the Supra was the fastest car I'd ever owned (and it wasn't a scorcher). The Gen5 beats the Supra to 60 by 1.2 seconds. So I'm happy with the power this thing has.
I had an 88 supra turbo for a minute. Turbo went out and gaskets blew at same time. Would have cost more than the car was worth to fix it. Less than 100k. "Toyota reliability"
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I had an 88 supra turbo for a minute. Turbo went out and gaskets blew at same time. Would have cost more than the car was worth to fix it. Less than 100k. "Toyota reliability"
I suppose it could have been driven hard in its life. Plus, back in those days, with turbocharged cars, it was advised by many that you sit and idle for a minute or two after driving to allow the turbo to cool down so the oil wouldn't turn to coke inside the bearings. Then again, I'm not a fan of turbos for reliability, though they may be better these days.
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