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Old 01-26-2022, 07:18 PM #16
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I'm curious if the hybrid Sequoia has the 10.5 or 9.5 rear axle. I've always assumed the Land Cruiser could use the 9.5 because of the AWD sharing the load between the axles and the tundra had the bigger rear axle because it was the full load axle most of the time. And it was expected to tow and haul more frequently.

Now the 9.5 is determined to be enough for the ttv6 but not enough for the hybrid. Does that apply to the Sequoia too? And if not - why? Or alternatively why does the hybrid tundra with lower towing capacity end up with the 10.5 axle.

For some reason I'm guessing Sequoia gets the small axle. But it probably should have the big one?

Also - I bet the Sequoia looks great on 37s! Can't wait to see it with a mild lift and tires.
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Like most everything about it EXCEPT complexity of the twin turbo engine and associated cooling, intake system, etc. Much too complex for me and of course I could'nt come close to affording one anyway. The wheels are junk, need an upgrade there, 17" or 18" with more aggressive tires.
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I think it looks great! long overdue.

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Toyota's vision is starting to become clear with the decision to stop selling the Landcruiser in the US. The Landcruiser was too expensive, and upgrading the Sequoia could make it very capable and able to fill it's spot as well as the Landcruiser in the lineup.

I've really enjoyed my 4Runner, and like that there is now an option for my growing family in the next size up. Would love a Prime version.
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I'm in very much the same boat. With two little people and a dog the 4r is not big enough anymore. Not if I want to take some camping gear or tow anything. Land cruiser isn't any bigger so it helps with towing, but has less cargo space. Was going to buy a tundra. But this caught me by surprise. I'm really interested. It's exactly what I want. Depending on price and mpg. And - yeah, a prime model is really what I'd want. They need to make it happen.
I’m also on this wagon. Kids getting bigger, comfortable road trip vehicle that can tow but still get off the beaten path. My 4Runner will turn 10 in 2025. That will give Toyota a couple years to work any kinks out and for some aftermarket support to catch up…might even have the Prime version by then. Squirreling my $ away now.
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Good point. I prefer traction/safety over power any day of week if I had choice.
So, question...In the Tundra ( I assume it will be the same in the new Sequoia.), can't you engage the 4wd mode without locking the center diff. Like inthe V6 4th Gen 4Runners.

If so, can't you have full time 4wd.

I know Toyota has gotten some flack for not having 4wd AUTO...I can recall that the 4wd AUTO or TOD (torque on demand) system were less than ideal on older vehicle from Ford (Explorer) and other manufacturers (Kia Sorento). The system would either fail to engage, slow to engage or would slam the drive line (hard engagement). I've heard of several people just removing the front drive shaft which defeats the purpose of having 4wd. Again, this is on older vehicles. Haven't heard anything on newer vehicles...yet.
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Will Lexus release a version of the Sequoia or will they only have the LX and GX?
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How much of this design do you think will be incorporated into the 4runner? Will it just be a mini version of the new Sequoia or will it be its own design?
If I had to guess, the new 4R will not share styling cues with the Tundra/Sequoia. There has never really been an overlap in those models.

Much more likely for it to share styling cues from that new electric Tacoma they teased. Which I'm OK with as well. Looks a little Highlander-ish, but definitely potential to look fairly rugged.

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The new Sequoia is sick. Yes, it will be expensive, but they will release lower-priced trims. They don't do releases with SR5s.... I could see them starting in the same range as the current Sequoia.
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So, question...In the Tundra ( I assume it will be the same in the new Sequoia.), can't you engage the 4wd mode without locking the center diff. Like inthe V6 4th Gen 4Runners.

If so, can't you have full time 4wd.

I know Toyota has gotten some flack for not having 4wd AUTO...I can recall that the 4wd AUTO or TOD (torque on demand) system were less than ideal on older vehicle from Ford (Explorer) and other manufacturers (Kia Sorento). The system would either fail to engage, slow to engage or would slam the drive line (hard engagement). I've heard of several people just removing the front drive shaft which defeats the purpose of having 4wd. Again, this is on older vehicles. Haven't heard anything on newer vehicles...yet.
There is no center differential in the tundra or new sequoia to lock. In 4wd it is the same as a locked center diff on transfer cases that have a center diff like the LC200 and some 3rd and 4th gen 4Runners. But there is no diff that locks. Just a dog clutch that engages the front output shaft to the rear.

So is no awd, TOD, or auto 4wd function for the new sequoia or tundra at this point. The only transfer case option is a traditional 2 speed 4x4 case that offers rwd, 4x4 locked, and 4lo (locked). Tundra has never offered awd. The outgoing sequoia did offer awd on most or all trims. My speculation is that the awd transfer case used is not strong enough for the torque from the hybrid system. And the awd isn't a popular truck option so the non-hybrid tundras also did not get it either.

I'm a little surprised there isn't a non-hybrid version with awd or an awd and just use torque limiting in the software. But that doesn't seem to be an option for the new models. Toyota is going a very different direction from the rest of the full size BOF crowd who mostly have eliminated the low range transfer case and all have gone IRS. With the solid rear axle, locker, 2 speed transfer case, and 9000lb tow rating - it's a tundra with extra seats.

AWD gets worse mpg. That may be another factor they considered. I'm very curious to see mpg numbers. They apparently are already EPA rated, but Toyota has a media hold until Feb 1 to release the specs. So we have to wait a few more days.

Just spitballing here - but it's also possible that they designed and awd case to handle the torque and supply chain issues mean they can't produce it yet and it'll be along in a year or two. Especially if it's electronically controlled. it would be easy to toss the Borg Warner case that the Tundra uses in for a year or two of production and release the awd model later. The LC300 was also supposed to have a hybrid and it hasn't shown up yet.

I haven't found a meaningful difference in actual use between my 4x4 4R, my RX awd on demand system with a center diff lock, or our IS full time awd. At least not that would be a difference maker for me choosing one vs another. I'd rather have rwd and 4x4 for better efficiency over awd and 4x4 as my choices. But I can see an argument for the awd as well. It's just not useful enough for me to choose over the better mileage on dry roads.
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IMO - at least initial look is like a higher end trim above the Land Cruiser 300.


Maybe even the LX600 too - at least the base model LX doesn't appear to be as nicely fitted. Hard to really tell without sitting in both though. It may look better but not be as nice of materials.


The only nit I find with the Capstone model interior is that the wood grain on the center console isn't matched. In lexus models the wood trim will be cut from a single piece so the grain all matches across the center console, dash, and door panels if you put them together. But it's probably just a pre-production model. I'm curious to see if they catch that detail in actual production models. Whatever the case - it's better than the obviously fake plastic wood in the outgoing models.

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Looks pretty nice, and WORLDS nicer than the old one. I'll wait for a hybrid version but thank goodness they upgraded it. My thoughts on off-roading...none of these huge beasts are going to be good off-roaders but they will take you off the beaten path (forest roads, mild trails) and back safely enough, as long as you don't think it is a real off-roader. Then you will leave parts of it off-road, or worse.
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