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Old 05-03-2022, 12:47 PM #1
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Any ways to negate Oversteer with Heavy Steering?

I've noticed that my 4-runner becomes very tail happy in snow and heavy rain. Despite being full time 4wd. It's peculiar yet fun in a strange way, you'll make a minor turn going slow and as you come out of it the rear gets light and feels like it misses the road, Even if you are off the throttle and off the brakes! On normal road it feels firmly planted to the ground.
The Heavy steering feel makes it hard to correct properly. The waterbed style body roll does not help either. My tires are in great condition and have proper tread and are inflated to spec, my suspension is old with noticeable negative camber in the front from the sagging suspension. I understand it is a 5,500 lbs truck and is supposed to handle like this and am not complaining about the handling (in fact I quite enjoy it), I believe it is an issue with my own lack of experience and poor technique.
I've never been able to correct a slide with any angle in my 4-runner. Minor slippage is fine, I've been able to correct minor fishtailing in the rain and snow.
Different steering techniques seem to help, I've found shuffle steering to be more efficient at pulling out of minor slides and fishtails. Palming the wheel seems to help sometimes too, but the hand falling off the wheel seems to be an issue. Driving gloves help with better grip on the steering wheel. Usually I get off the gas and don't touch the brakes during a slide.
Yet, I still wind up 180 to where I was just facing. Does anyone have any tips on how to negotiate over-steer like that? Better steering techniques? Throttle control during turns? There isn't much snow around anymore I can't really test these out much, but I will keep them in the back of my mind until then. Any help is appreciated. Thank you in advance.
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I think if you're having that poor of grip and you're sure the tires aren't just totally shot then you should make sure that you actually do have 4WD and if you do reconfirm exactly what kind of 4WD it is and whether or not it's working correctly.

What year and trim level is your 4Runner? You might have gotten a rear wheel drive one and gotten sold a bill of goods along the way.
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Something I have been looking more into is a pan hard drop bracket for my vehicle. The more I have been reading into it the more I think it'll help my lifted 4Runner's tendency to be a little light in the tail on some turns I take.

Not sure if your vehicle is stock or not, but if it's lifted, something to consider.
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Suspensions upgrade would help. A combination of the short wheel base, rear wheel drive, weight, height of the vehicle also short wheel base makes the rear end want to slide in corners. It's a matter of learning what works.
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Suspensions upgrade would help. A combination of the short wheel base, rear wheel drive, weight, height of the vehicle also short wheel base makes the rear end want to slide in corners. It's a matter of learning what works.
But to the point of 180 with barely any input? Naaaaaaaaah. I bet this guy got a RWD or has the functional equivalent of a RWD and doesn't realize it. Or the tires are balder than Professor X.
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But to the point of 180 with barely any input? Naaaaaaaaah. I bet this guy got a RWD or has the functional equivalent of a RWD and doesn't realize it. Or the tires are balder than Professor X.
Seems about right!
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Are you flooring it going into corners? I've had my 4Runner 3 years, and other than in the snow in 2WD, I have never, ever fishtailed it, or even had any problems with grip off the line in the wet.

Now obviously these are not sports cars and are going to oversteer if you push them in corners, but also they really don't make enough power to actually fishtail without trying to or driving like a knucklehead on bald tires.
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But to the point of 180 with barely any input? Naaaaaaaaah. I bet this guy got a RWD or has the functional equivalent of a RWD and doesn't realize it. Or the tires are balder than Professor X.
It's 4WD no option for 2WD. 4WD is working correctly, Tires are fairly new. Some cracking on the sidewall and they loose pressure fast, but the tread is fine. Turning wayyyy to hard makes the tires loose plenty of pressure. It's an old rim issue.
It's an 03 V8 SR5. Full time 4WD, I've ensured it works decently. All completely stock. The same it was 20 years ago.
My sway bars are completely shot through, It was pointed out to me a while back, most of my suspension is. (Front suspension is sagging in on itself and adding negative camber, and the rear is ever so slightly positive. ) Steering is seeing quite the wear too, been noticing having to refill power steering often.
This 4runner has been in a few collisions before. And 1 major mechanical failure (Cener diff and L4 were shot, should be fine now. Both were never used until this year.) Noticed it has a very slight tendency to veer right even after alignments. I think it's something to do with the front right wheel being ripped clean off by a storm drain (Evidence can still be seen in body panels not aligning, and the front right of the underside engine bay hanging lower than the left, as well as scrape marks all over the skid-plate and underside of car.)

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Are you flooring it going into corners? I've had my 4Runner 3 years, and other than in the snow in 2WD, I have never, ever fishtailed it, or even had any problems with grip off the line in the wet.

Now obviously these are not sports cars and are going to oversteer if you push them in corners, but also they really don't make enough power to actually fishtail without trying to or driving like a knucklehead on bald tires.
I'll admit I've kept the hammer down more than I should have. It handles fine when it's dry (no light rear end) , but I'll catch myself going a little too fast for conditions and very lightly ride the brakes.

That's where it happens. It'll get on the brakes and turn, not hard turning.

I should again clarify and say it handles perfectly on dry ground. It's during snow or rain it begins to get very light.

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Based on that rundown of your 4runner's mechanical history, its incredible that this is the biggest gripe you've got with it. And the fact that you mention driving gloves at all has me convinced the problem is behind the wheel.
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It's 4WD no option for 2WD. 4WD is working correctly, Tires are fairly new. Some cracking on the sidewall and they loose pressure fast, but the tread is fine. Turning wayyyy to hard makes the tires loose plenty of pressure. It's an old rim issue.
It's an 03 V8 SR5. Full time 4WD, I've ensured it works decently. All completely stock. The same it was 20 years ago.
My sway bars are completely shot through, It was pointed out to me a while back, most of my suspension is. (Front suspension is sagging in on itself and adding negative camber, and the rear is ever so slightly positive. ) Steering is seeing quite the wear too, been noticing having to refill power steering often.
This 4runner has been in a few collisions before. And 1 major mechanical failure (Cener diff and L4 were shot, should be fine now. Both were never used until this year.) Noticed it has a very slight tendency to veer right even after alignments. I think it's something to do with the front right wheel being ripped clean off by a storm drain (Evidence can still be seen in body panels not aligning, and the front right of the underside engine bay hanging lower than the left, as well as scrape marks all over the skid-plate and underside of car.)


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I'll admit I've kept the hammer down more than I should have. It handles fine when it's dry (no light rear end) , but I'll catch myself going a little too fast for conditions and very lightly ride the brakes.

That's where it happens. It'll get on the brakes and turn, not hard turning.

I should again clarify and say it handles perfectly on dry ground. It's during snow or rain it begins to get very light.


Dude, your 4Runner needs extensive work, and you need to chill with the lead foot. On both pedals. How are you not dead? How is everybody around you not dead?
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Dude, your 4Runner needs extensive work, and you need to chill with the lead foot. On both pedals. How are you not dead? How is everybody around you not dead?
Aye just stupid. I had come to that conclusion a while ago. Driver's here are just as bad as I am, so I fit into the crowd. The work needed is being put in. How I'm not dead I have no clue, this thing didn't even have working brakes until about 2 months ago.

So I guess, Moral of the story don't drive like me and be aware what comes with an older cheap car. (Or not getting one that was in three prior wrecks.)

Thanks for the replies! I'll try not to drive it like the old corolla I used to drive. (somehow didn't crash that one. was sold.)

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So I guess, Moral of the story don't drive like me and be aware what comes with an older cheap car. (Or not getting one that was in three prior wrecks.)

Thanks for the replies! I'll try not to drive it like the old corolla I used to drive. (somehow didn't crash that one. was sold.)
Acceptance is a good first step

4Runners are more of a 'tool' than a 'toy'. They way they are designed to be played with requires a different mindset and level of preparation. Slow, methodical, steady.... a style that seems a bit incongruous to the way you drive and your expectations of the vehicle lol.

Have fun but know you and your vehicle's limits before testing them in the real world. The 4runner can take you places very few vehicles can.
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