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Old 12-05-2022, 04:09 PM #16
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Just don't buy them on the internet. I recently bought 3, all shipped separate, 1 made it here of the 4. One of them was resent and stolen again the second time. Tires are super easy to fence as stolen goods and easy to spot by thieves working the distribution hubs.
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Funny you said that. My Discount Tire guy just shipped me four snow tires. FedEx picked up all 4 at the same time but has been dropping them off one each day. So the first day I saw one tire and thought that three had been stolen off my porch. I kinda freaked out. Nope...just FedEx being weird.
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Old 12-05-2022, 04:28 PM #18
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To each his own, that's why there are so many different tires because robots we are not. We all have different likes and opinions.
I run Goodyear Exilerates on my Accord Touring, love em.

One thing I've never heard is E rated tires are bad for your drivetrain.

I'll have to investigate that little tidbit of info.

If they're for much larger vehicles, why are they made in sizes that fit on smaller vehicles too?

E-rated tires affecting fuel economy when aired up at the same pressure as a C-rated tire differs? Got any info to back that up?

All "E" designates if Extra load And you can run 80Psi for less rolling resistance.

I'll suffer the ride harshness, that I don't feel and stick with 10ply over 6 anyday of the week.
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Do you really need data? Think about it. An E-rated tired is significantly heavier than a LT/C/D rated tire. I have used Ds and Es and Cs on the same vehicle. The ride with Es was awful- not just harsh but the heavier tire made the vehicle (4,500 lbs Jeep Wrangler) feel slow to accelerate and ponderous. That is ALL rotating weight too...not just carried weight. Rotating weight has a bigger effect on fuel economy than static weight. With the darn Es, I was getting around 13 MPGs manually calculated. With the Cs, I was getting 17.5. With the Ds, I was getting 14-15. The ride was still kinda ponderous but bearable. Still, Discount Tires took the Es and the Ds back and I went back to my trusty Cs. The C MTRs were as tough as anything out there too, or I was pretty lucky since I used them a ton on two diff Jeeps and aired them down to 10 PSI and did quite a bit off off-roading on some rocky trails.

Heavier tires will always suck more fuel and rarely overcome any tread differences in the same category. It is the same thing with mountain bike tires. heavier tires will always wear you out a lot faster, especially so if you climb uphill. However, please feel free to use what you want. Nobody is trying to convince you not to. We are just typing up our experiences.
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Do you really need data? Yes.

I'm getting 17 mpg around town on my 276k mile 4runner. I'm not interested in accelerating with 183hp it's hardly impressive, I'm interested in not getting flat tires and longevity.

Anyways, I love forums. So Many opinions so little time...
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Well, you have my data. This should be pretty logical though. Heavy vehicles get less gas mileage. Heavy tires are even worse than simply putting that weight in or on the vehicle. That's called unsprung rolling weight and is governed by Physics. It works the same way with any vehicle. Same with larger tires. You can research this- it isn't opinion.
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Well, you have my data. This should be pretty logical though. Heavy vehicles get less gas mileage. Heavy tires are even worse than simply putting that weight in or on the vehicle. That's called unsprung rolling weight and is governed by Physics. It works the same way with any vehicle. Same with larger tires. You can research this- it isn't opinion.
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I just had Cooper Rugged Trek put on my 2023 OR. They performed great for me in wet conditions yesterday, including one instance of hard breaking. Noise level is only slightly louder than the stock tires. I'm loving them so far!
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Goodyear stinks, especially anything with Wrangler written on it. Paper thin sidewalls and OE "quality" with a name brand on it. It's amazing how many flats I've seen on any of the tires on the Wrangler product line, especially the OEs. Duratracs always seem to get good reviews for snow, but it's still a Goodyear.

KO2s are amazing in snow from my experience. I never had wet weather issues, but a lot seem to. They were great on the road and really quiet. Toyo AT3s are good, but Toyo tends to be louder than most. General Grabber ATX are another good option that's reasonably priced. Falken AT3Ws some seem to swear by for awhile in the Toyota community. I've been really impressed with my Maxxis Razr ATs so far over the last 6 months in everyday driving, moderate offroad, rain, towing, they're low noise, etc., but have yet to test in snow yet. Bonus, they are CHEAP!

Honestly, you don't even need that aggressive of an AT to up your snow traction game considerably in a 4runner. Even a less aggressive AT like a Yokohama G015, Cooper AT3, Continental TerrainContact AT, Michelin LTX, or similar will get you through what you need here in the northeast. Less worry about road noise, improper wear, mpg declining, they're generally cheaper, etc. But, they aren't as cool looking...and that's important

Long story short, take your pick. You can make an educated choice on what you buy, but you will be the end user and your experience will most likely vary from a bunch of people on a forum.
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I just had Cooper Rugged Trek put on my 2023 OR. They performed great for me in wet conditions yesterday, including one instance of hard breaking. Noise level is only slightly louder than the stock tires. I'm loving them so far!
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That's a great-looking 4runner. Wish I could afford a new one. Cooper is owned by Goodyear.
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Nokian Rotiiva AT from Simple Tire
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Goodyear stinks, especially anything with Wrangler written on it. Paper thin sidewalls and OE "quality" with a name brand on it. It's amazing how many flats I've seen on any of the tires on the Wrangler product line, especially the OEs. Duratracs always seem to get good reviews for snow, but it's still a Goodyear.
You do know how thin paper is, right? lol

I hated Goodyear, refused to buy them for years due to a similar opinion. But after talking to many of my snow plow and work truck friends saying they wouldn't go with anything else but Duratracs due to there durability and traction I decided to give them a try. I figured no-one is putting tires though more abuse than a work vehicle snow plowing and construction work.

Done a bunch of off roading rocks/mud and no issues. I'm happy, and actually impressed for someone who used to hate them. But I do agree the OP probably does not need an AT tire. Curious what my opinion will be in another 20k.
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