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Old 08-03-2023, 11:12 AM #16
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The 4runner and this new LC will be too similar and competitive price wise. A lot of speculation that something has to give to keep the updated 4R in its own category. That or they choke the supply numbers of this new LC and markups go through the roof. There is a reason the 4R is the last to be updated and I think it will be a surprise for a lot of us.
Y'all give Toyota way too much credit. LC is going to start in the mid $50K range and be well equipped at $60K+. This leaves plenty of room for Toyota to drop a 4Runner with a similar trim and powertrain options to the 2024 Tacoma in below it starting in the low to mid $40Ks range. I really doubt there is going to be any epiphany, but maybe I will be proved wrong.
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I doubt they will drop the 4R. There will likely be that 15K price difference between the two. The 4Runner, the Land Cruiser, the Sequoia, and the GX550, will be in play. I am curious to see the crash test ratings for passengers, which has become a very important criteria.
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"Here is man standing next to LC. How can there also be a 4runner?"

Would it be different if it was a woman? I don't understand how that one man makes the 4Runner disappear.
nah, I just meant seeing a human being standing next to LC gives perspective on LC's size.
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I know. The LC is about 8.5" wider than a 4Runner. Good if you need it, bad if you're trails are narrow and you like your paint.
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My 100% guess...the new 4runner will be a "re-badged" LC with:

1. Part-time 4wd.

2. More basic styling...but same size.

3. Less luxury...less sound deadening, less features, thinner glass, thinner sheetmetal...but same underneath.

4. Same powertrain.

5. Cloth and Nuluxe...no leather option.

6. "TRD PRO" will have front disconnect and rear locker of course.

7. Non-TRD PRO will have optional rear locker.

8. 3rd row will be optional...you can see that LC rear cargo floor is high for no damn good reason...probably preparing some 4runner models to have 3rd row?

9. Maybe now made in USA to cut costs?

10. Probably price range $45k to $55k.

11. Tow rating 6000 lbs.

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I know. The LC is about 8.5" wider than a 4Runner. Good if you need it, bad if you're trails are narrow and you like your paint.
It's been pointed out the reason for the insanely wide width for both the GX550 and the LC is the inclusion of the side mirrors in the measurement. I think we figured out that they are only a couple inches or so wider if you take that out...
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My 100% guess...the new 4runner will be a "re-badged" LC with:

4. Same powertrain.

8. 3rd row will be optional...you can see that LC rear cargo floor is high for no damn good reason...probably preparing some 4runner models to have 3rd row?
I'd more expect the 4Runner powertrains to mirror that of the Tacoma distribution. This would suggest the same powertrain as the LC for perhaps the Pro, Trailhunter and some other high trim (perhaps).

The reason for the crappy load floor in the LC is to accomodate the hybrid batteries in the back of the vehicle. With a body on frame and solid rear axle construction, you don't have a whole lot of real-estate to work with for packaging them.

The one thing it does tell you (also based on the load floor height in the Sequoia with only a hybrid option) is that Toyota will likely struggle to package a 3-row 4Runner with a hybrid option. Given how they've set trims up, it's likely if it is reserved for the Pro and Trailhunter these will be 2 row only vehicles.
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I can imagine a 2 door version of the LC being the next 4runner.
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My 100% guess...the new 4runner will be a "re-badged" LC with:

1. Part-time 4wd.

2. More basic styling...but same size.

3. Less luxury...less sound deadening, less features, thinner glass, thinner sheetmetal...but same underneath.

4. Same powertrain.

5. Cloth and Nuluxe...no leather option.

6. "TRD PRO" will have front disconnect and rear locker of course.

7. Non-TRD PRO will have optional rear locker.

8. 3rd row will be optional...you can see that LC rear cargo floor is high for no damn good reason...probably preparing some 4runner models to have 3rd row?

9. Maybe now made in USA to cut costs?

10. Probably price range $45k to $55k.

11. Tow rating 6000 lbs.

LC has a ground clearance and departure issue. Could re-badging LC to meet the 4runner market include this sort of structural adjustment?
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LC has a ground clearance and departure issue. Could re-badging LC to meet the 4runner market include this sort of structural adjustment?
Correct me if I am wrong, but the current 4runner ground clearance is 8.3. Toyota fudges the numbers on the current and past 4runners.

I think that the approach and departure angles are going to decrease on the new LC probably bc of crash test requirements and fuel economy goals.
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I like both the LC and Gx550 Current suv is a 2017 4runner that 98% on road and love the build for a family suv. As of now Im leaning towards the GX for v6 turbo and 3rd row for long trips. Once in this price range you get more bang for the dollar in a tahoe or yukon.
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If they made the 6th gen 4Runner a soft uv that would be sad. If they made the 6th gen 4Runner same size as the 3rd gen it would be very interesting.

I kinda want the GX. But it is so ugly. My wife told me our next car needs to have more luxury than my limited trim 4runner.
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