[Thai]

Hey all,

Due to recent thread this past weekend where a few members were upset at me (and how this forum is run), this forum will be open to spammers, trolls, internal conflicts, and whatnot. I will even UNbanned Even Steven. He and other past members will have full access to this forum. I certainly do not want this forum to be a "Nazi camp" nor losing member on "principle" and certainly don't want this forum to be the "ONLY" forum on the net that bans people.

After yesterday and sleeping on it, i realize that i have spent way too much time on this forum...keeping it running smoothly. This forum was my (and Gatorgreg's) creation, but we certainly don't want any unhappy members. Apparently, a few of you are very unhappy here and, as creator and admin, this falls on me.

I will encourage my moderators to let the forum runs it's course without intervention. We will still be here to contribute...as members only. No double standard.

Thank you & enjoy the new forum.

Wow, you really did "unban" me.

You know, Thai, my intention was not to change the entire forum. For the most part, I think this is a good forum with good people. I just think you need to act more fairly with your authority.

I know for a fact that this will not last and you will continue to moderate the forum. You guys will not let the entire forum to go hell because some of the members here jumped on you in my thread yesterday.

[Thai]

Originally posted by Even Steven
I know for a fact that this will not last and you will continue to moderate the forum. You guys will not let the entire forum to go hell because of the my thread yesterday.

Let me see...i don't have a 4runner...Gatorgreg does not. We don't get paid...at least, i don't...never been. Gatorgreg has not asked for money in a while from the ads. We all have day jobs that are demanding...i have a new son that i am surely neglecting to be on here. The moderators are very cool bunch of guys, but we're not paying them a single penny besides occasional "Thanks".

Next time, Even Steven, be a man and post what you wrote to me before i banned you back in March instead of acting like an innocent victim! I am sure that people on here would like to see how insulting you can be from just a normal debate.

This forum has been my pride...but i certainly don't want this forum to be those adjectives listed above that were posted yesterday.

I want this forum to be a happy place.

Okay, Thai.... you can take this to an extreme if you wish, but I think I can safely say that the majority of members here don't want a forum that has no moderation at all. Moderating the forum is obviously an important job, and one that is required to keep the place in good shape.

But at the same time, I only wish you could see the flood of emails that I received from SOOO many members in support of my thread yesterday. I also received quite a few PMs in total support of my words in that thread. There are clearly quite a few members who had reason to be unhappy by the way you handle conflict as a moderator. That doesn't mean that EVERYONE should stop moderating the forum completely, it just means that you should lighten up a bit.

[Thai]

As some of you may know, we (admins and mods) have a separate subforum where we discuss issues about the forum. Here is a thread that i have moved from our private subforum to the Off-topic area: http://www.toyota-4runner.org/showth...threadid=35706

Read it. Note...that thread was only a few days before i banned him due to his insulting post directed personally at me.

Now, let me ask you guys, why on earth would i want to have to defend myself on my own forum?? Hey, this is what some of you want...and apparently, Even Steven got a lot of "support".

Thanks.

Originally posted by Thai


Next time, Even Steven, be a man and post what you wrote to me before i banned you back in March instead of acting like an innocent victim! I am sure that people on here would like to see how insulting you can be from just a normal debate.

I refuse to let this thread become a continuation of the thread yesterday, so I'll just reply to you about this one time and leave it at that.

1- You called me a liar (among other things), but I don't know what you think I lied about. I really don't remember what I posted that got you upset and caused you to ban me. Was it bad? Probably...but maybe not as bad as you want to make it out to be.

2- Never did I say that I was an innocent victim. In fact, I posted earlier in the thread yesterday that I'm no angel and that I never claimed to be an angel.

3- Insulting? You can be just as insulting as me, Thai. I think we both have that ability, no?

Anyway, I'll let you get the last word because I don't want to wreck this thread.

[Thai]

Originally posted by Even Steven
I refuse to let this thread become a continuation of the thread yesterday, so I'll just reply to you about this one time and leave it at that.

You're right. Sorry to other members.

[TheBlueWave]

As a guy who has seen and been a member of many forums over the years, this one is good about letting idiots stir up trouble without banning them right away for the sake of good debate. The mods here do a good job walking that fine line, its not that easy! When things get rude, that's uncalled for, and that reflects banning folks.
I hope you mods are just messing around and really do plan to continue to moderate as before. People on here are usually nice, not making fun of people's questions or comments, etc. Upsetting that balance would suck.
Anyway, its yours, do as you wish, you certainly have that right. If people think this forum sucks, they can go elsewhere.

[juneau92]

Originally posted by Thai


Thank you & enjoy the new forum.

Thank you, Thai.

I think you might feel unappreciated, and that is far from the truth. The good folks here are 4Runner enthusiasts, like myself, and frequent these forums to enjoy the camaraderie and exchange of information of the many other members. Your work in creating this site and maintaining these forums are much appreciated.

I don't think anyone would be upset for your banning of spammers, trolls, and the like. Banning a contributing member of our forum seems extreme, even if his approach seems at times a bit harsh or over-bearing, and that's what upset some of us.

You do a good job here, Thai. Thanks for letting Even Steven return. Thanks for listening to our forum members.

Originally posted by juneau92
Thank you, Thai.

I think you might feel unappreciated, and that is far from the truth. The good folks here are 4Runner enthusiasts, like myself, and frequent these forums to enjoy the camaraderie and exchange of information of the many other members. Your work in creating this site and maintaining these forums are much appreciated.

I don't think anyone would be upset for your banning of spammers, trolls, and the like. Banning a contributing member of our forum seems extreme, even if his approach seems at times a bit harsh or over-bearing, and that's what upset some of us.

You do a good job here, Thai. Thanks for letting Even Steven return. Thanks for listening to our forum members.

I think you hit the nail on the head here. I've been a contributing member for a while here and I'd like to think that I've helped other members in the past as well as have been helped by other members.

That said, I think it is fair to say that I'm not a troll or spammer. Am I an A-hole? Sure, sometimes, but I'm not alone in that regard. I think that any member of this forum who is truly a contributing member should be given a little slack when it comes to problems/debates/arguments or whatever. A permanent ban seems a little harsh for any member who has been here and has contributed in the past. Maybe my sentence should have been a 3-day ban or something... I dunno.

But I do think the forum members will enjoy a kinder, gentler Thai;)

[CJ3Flyr]

Originally posted by juneau92
Thank you, Thai.

I think you might feel unappreciated, and that is far from the truth. The good folks here are 4Runner enthusiasts, like myself, and frequent these forums to enjoy the camaraderie and exchange of information of the many other members. Your work in creating this site and maintaining these forums are much appreciated.

I don't think anyone would be upset for your banning of spammers, trolls, and the like. Banning a contributing member of our forum seems extreme, even if his approach seems at times a bit harsh or over-bearing, and that's what upset some of us.

You do a good job here, Thai. Thanks for letting Even Steven return. Thanks for listening to our forum members.

Ditto! Thank-you (and all the mods) for the countless hours you spend/have spent to make this a truly awesome T4R resource.

[MAC4Runner]

I don't know the back story, but it seems pretty simple to me. Thai's forum, Thai's rules.

My $.02

Since it's going in a new direction, please can we update to decent software also?

I think this vBulletin version is from 1982.

[Iron Clad Lou]

Originally posted by Neversummer
Since it's going in a new direction, please can we update to decent software also?

I think this vBulletin version is from 1982.

yea, the hell with personal feelings...lets get the damn database error issue resolved!

[juneau92]

Originally posted by Iron Clad Lou
yea, the hell with personal feelings...lets get the damn database error issue resolved!

LOL