i didn't say that. i don't think the 3rd can necessarily out wheel the 5th. i just think it is a easier vehicle to drive on the trail. its the same with my dads 06 tacoma. longer, wider, lower breakover angle, harder to see (blindspots) etc etc etc..

Thats where your wrong, your under the assumption that the locker and traction control will win it for ya, but really the 3rd gen was designed to run open axles with lockers as a bonus and IIRC the 3 3rd gens that did MOAB and posted up here didnt have lockers, i would like to see the 5th gens run that.


But you never answered my question, How many trucks in King of the Hammers run with Traction Control? If it is this superior offroad capability i would expect the people who compete in competition to have it.

Why don't you stroll yourself over to the FJ forum and read up on it, ok? I agree...a locker is better off-road than traction control...this is why a full set of lockers is the norm in these off-road competitions. However, short of a front locker, A-TRAC is the next best thing. Do you see people in these off-road competitions having open differentials front and rear like your 4runner? No. Again, remind me your point again?

The 5th gen has a rear locker PLUS front axle super aggressive traction control, thus making it superior to your OPEN front DIFFERENTIAL. How you do not get this point is beyond me!!

BTW, A-TRAC is super aggressive and will stop a spinning tire completely to let the other tire on the same axle get more power. A-TRAC is different than the 4th gen's traction control...A-TRAC is only available when you're in 4-LO...it is a pure off-roading tool, just like a locker. Is it as good as a locker? No, but very close. And since it does allow you to steer, it is a bit more flexible for the average user than a locker.

Dude, you're a fanboy...please stop, you're embarrassing youself! Oh my goodness, you have no clue! Thanks for the laugh...i gotta go to sleep, but at least, i had a good laugh.

Psst...the 5th gen did the Rubicon Trail.

Oh yeah, an axle that was NOT designed for a locker means that it is an axle that is too weak for a locker. Think about that for a moment. An axle that is designed for a locker is a stronger axle. Even though your argument is totally wrong, IF you are right, then the 3rd gen 4runner axle is not particularly good. Thank goodness that you're wrong!

Again, please stop the insanity!!!!!!!

good arguing with ya

If you take the driver out of the equation, THEN YES, A LOCKER PLUS TRACTION CONTROL WILL WIN EVERY SINGLE FREAKING TIME OFF-ROAD OVER AN OPEN DIFFERENTIAL. No doubt about it.

Thegreenmonsters has corrected your wild assumptions...i would listen to him. You, sir, have no freaking clue.

Same here. Goodnight.

You can steer on a locker, not as much though, and this is exactly what i mean, they designed the vehicle with knowledge that they would have these "driver aids" run them both open without lockers and traction control and see who wins. A locker is like nitrious, a serious boost of speed, but it wasnt there to begin with, just a cheap replacement for a lazy design.

Damn it!! My G-wagen must be a POS because it comes with BOTH traction control and a full set of lockers!! Crap!! Damn 30+ years of German lazy overengineering! John, thanks man for such amazing insight...i don't know what i would have done without you pointing this out to me! I just save it up and link it everytime we have a discussion!

i see your point

IF the 3rd had ATRAC, the locker, similar tires etc., i think it would outwheel the Trail.

i think what john means is that while the 5th lacks in some areas, they make up for it with the locker and ATRAC.

which is why i said that i don't think either one can out wheel the other.

Solution

http://www.toyota-4runner.org/t4r-me...tml#post533873



You are

I agree...if the 3rd gen had the same technology or gearing, then yeah, the 3rd gen may potentially be a better off-roader. But, in reality, it does not. We don't need to daydream...lets stick to reality.

yes indeed....but i can dream

Now this is what you do, you twist words and statements on people, Now i do think the American G-wagon is a pile of shit but that is another story, what i said was that toyota was lazy on there designing in capabilities of the 2010 Trail edition, and they used these Driver Aids as a sort of quick fix to the lacking of capabilities it had prior. Go settle this in the 4-R-U-N-N-E-R Challenge, not that its really necessary. Now I am done here, twist these words as much as you like, i really couldnt give a sh1t now.