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I too believe the GX should be considered as a full time 4WD system, for daily use you're in 4high while you can transfer to 4low for certain cases. It is not like an Audi AWD because an Audi doesnt have the same low range option.
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04-15-2015, 03:54 PM
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My opinion is if it's got a selectable transfer case(high or low) it's 4WD. If not and all wheels still have potential for power it's AWD.
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i think we have found the final answer here...
-and yes some Subarus, Volvos and Audis as well as many other makes have the ability to "lock the center diff" so do we cant call them AWD right, because there is something there that is "different" and not mold fitting to the "AWD standard" as defined by some marketing person. sure lets break down every single vehicle and its drive train and how it functions and lets segregate all of them and call them all different things -oh wait we already did that, its call giving each vehicle its own name so that way we do not confuse a land rover free lander with a lexus rx or a cadillac escalade with a ford expedition...
IanB is correct, in calling a GX an AWD based vehicle, it has other "enhancements" that set it apart from the others, still does not change the fact that it is AWD. thats like saying a member of the armed services is not a citizen, because he has a uniform and works for a company. no he is still a citizen, he just has other "enhancements" that allow him to work outside of that "realm"
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04-15-2015, 04:08 PM
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My opinion is if it's got a selectable transfer case(high or low) it's 4WD. If not and all wheels still have potential for power it's AWD.
By your logic calling the GX AWD because that's how it operates under normal driving conditions, I should be calling my sequoia 2WD because that's the way it normally operates. It is an 06` 4WD.
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I kind of see what you're saying. I would agree to referring to the GX470 as a 4x4 or 4wd, same as I would a '02 Chevy Silverado 4x4, as they are perfectly capable of operating in 4x4 mode from factory.
I would not, however, agree with calling it a "Full Time 4wd", as that's not accurate. Under normal conditions, it's operating in AWD mode with some electronic aids.
I don't see how the addition of a selectable transfer case makes any difference though. There are lots of commercial trucks with transfer cases for lower gearing to tow heavy loads and no 4x4...so what now?
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04-15-2015, 04:12 PM
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So I should call my 4WD sequoia a 2WD because it normally runs in 2WD mode?
I can shift on the fly to 4H open diff (or AWD as you would call it) and run it in 4H as much as I want as, fast as I like. Making it operate essentially the same as the GX only difference is I can turn it off if I choose unlike the GX.
So is my sequoia part-time AWD?
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04-15-2015, 04:35 PM
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So I should call my 4WD sequoia a 2WD because it normally runs in 2WD mode?
I can shift on the fly to 4H open diff (or AWD as you would call it) and run it in 4H as much as I want as, fast as I like. Making it operate essentially the same as the GX only difference is I can turn it off if I choose unlike the GX.
So is my sequoia part-time AWD?
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I'm not really familiar with the hardware the Sequoia comes with, so maybe you can clarify a few things for me.
Normally operates in 2wd, that's clear enough. Is there a center diff, or just a transfer case? When you select 4H, are you getting 50/50 front/rear power distribution, or is the center diff actually open in this mode like an AWD vehicle? If the center diff is open in 4H, can you lock the center diff to achieve 4wd/4x4?
I suspect there's no center diff in this system, and 4H = 4x4, meaning you shouldn't be driving around on high traction surfaces in this mode due to the binding of the driveline as you turn and the axles can't go different speeds to compensate. If this is true, you have no AWD mode in your Sequoia.
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04-15-2015, 04:52 PM
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You underestimate me, I wouldn't have mentioned driving around in 4H if I did not have the capability.
Yes, has center diff That remains unlocked until engaged, so I can drive around town in 4H open diff(AWD as you say)all day without harming the vehicle if I loose traction on loose surface I can engage the center diff lock.
All of the above is true for low range as well only I cannot shift to low range on the fly I must first stop and shift to neutral but the center diff may be in locked or unlocked position even in low range.
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04-15-2015, 05:17 PM
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You underestimate me, I wouldn't have mentioned driving around in 4H if I did not have the capability.
Yes, has center diff That remains unlocked until engaged, so I can drive around town in 4H open diff(AWD as you say)all day without harming the vehicle if I loose traction on loose surface I can engage the center diff lock.
All of the above is true for low range as well only I cannot shift to low range on the fly I must first stop and shift to neutral but the center diff may be in locked or unlocked position even in low range.
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Sounds like a similar setup to the 3rd gen 4Runner Ltd w/ the multimode transfercase, I had the same setup in my Hilux Surf, it's a good system. Allows you to operate in 2wd, AWD, 4wd in high and low range, very versatile.
So through your experience with this system, you're well versed in the difference between AWD and 4wd? You should have no issue recognizing that the GX470 when the center diff is unlocked, is in AWD and not 4wd? 
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Lol, no unfortunately the low range capability makes it 4WD. If it lacked a low range gear I could agree.
I could maybe say that in 4H unlocked both these vehicles, GX470 and Sequoia, are behaving similarly to AWD vehicles. I just think it is misleading to say the GX is All Wheel Drive.
So what did you call the Surf when referring to the drive system?
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Hate to be "that guy" but as an owner of a 2008 GX470 I feel obligated to clarify.
I keep seeing the four wheel drive system referred to as "AWD," this is incorrect.
"All Wheel Drive" means all wheels permanently driven non-lockable "open" transfer case, non-selectable transfer case. In other words no low range.
"Full time four wheel drive" which is found on all GX, LX and Landcruiser models, utilizes a selectable transfer case that may be shifted into low range and generally will feature some kind of locking differential. Under normal conditions (4H) all four wheels are driven with differentials open allowing use on pavement. In the case of the GX if the center diff is locked the front and rear drive shafts will spin at the same speed, much like a conventional truck would behave in 4H. Low range in the GX is also open so either may be used on dry paved surfaces. The center diff should be locked only on loose surfaces and could cause binding/damage to vehicle if used on dry pavement.
There are significant differences between the two systems, it's worth noting that a conventional all wheel drive system will provide little or no advantage off-road over a two wheel drive vehicle. In contrast a Full time four wheel drive vehicle utilizes low range gears required to navigate extreme off road conditions.
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Lol, no unfortunately the low range capability makes it 4WD. If it lacked a low range gear I could agree.
I could maybe say that in 4H unlocked both these vehicles, GX470 and Sequoia, are behaving similarly to AWD vehicles. I just think it is misleading to say the GX is All Wheel Drive.
So what did you call the Surf when referring to the drive system?
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I'd just like to revisit your 1st post in this thread, which started the whole debate. I've bolded the important bit. You can't call the driveline in the GX470 "Full Time 4wd", cause that's simply not accurate. It's capable of operating in 4wd, but only part of the time (when the center diff is locked). The rest of the time, it's in AWD.
As for your Sequioa, I'd argue that it's the ability to operate in 4x4 that makes it 4wd, not the fact it has a selectable transfer case. Why does having low/high range gearing matter at all? If you could explain this logic I'd be surprised.
As for my Surf, I'd call it a 4x4, but I wouldn't say it was "Full Time 4wd" just because it's capable of being in 4x4 mode, as it's in 2wd the majority of the time, or AWD during the winter. There is a distinction between what it is capable of, and how it's operating at any given time.
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this is the funniest most pointless discussion ever about semantics, doesnt help the OP very much with his initial intent of starting this thread however
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Perhaps "Full Time Four Wheel Drive" is not the best term to describe the GX drive system but I believe it is more accurate than AWD.
AWD says to me non-selectable transfer case.
Perhaps the question is: do you know of any toyota vehicle, or any vehicle at all for that matter, considered AWD that has a selectable transfer case?
There is no toyota Vehicle I am aware of that is considered AWD and also has a selectable transfer case. Selectable transfer case is the feature that seems to appear on every vehicle that is generally accepted as being 4WD. Every vehicle described as All Wheel Drive that I Am aware of lacks a selectable transfer case. This simply seems to be the common feature.
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this is the funniest most pointless discussion ever about semantics, doesnt help the OP very much with his initial intent of starting this thread however
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Lol, Symantecs aside anyone reading this should be well versed in how these types drive systems operate. 
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If selectable transfer case is not the criteria which determines classification as AWD; Perhaps the absence of a transfer case in favor of transverse engine mounted, transaxle-torque transfer unit, similar to systems found in Rav4, Highlander and RX is?
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