As far as the 4Runner v. LC & GX v. LX, I'd go with the larger ones if money was no factor. They have all the goodies, more room inside, and are simply the best SUVs available, IMO.

As it stands, I have to make the payment and put gas in my cars, so the 4Runner is perfect.

[QUOTE=T4Fun;578211] I thought your name was alluding to the 4Runner? And after all that discussion months ago, you decided not to get one? Probably for the best, since you seemed to be more interested in a highway vehicle rather than off-road. The GX would probably be a little much to convert into an off-roader, though it would be a novelty

here are some links lx570 comments...

Impressions after two years: Part 1 - Club Lexus Forums

Impressions after two years: Part 3 - Club Lexus Forums

here is lx570/LC paradise. have you ever seen so many beauties in one spot?
http://www.clublexus.com/forums/lx57...the-dunes.html

illuminating choice of links... reviews that detail vital, core items like: horn; windows; stereo; cruise control... and glamor shots of a Saudi wagon-train.

to each his own, but in all fairness it really does seem that you're posting to the wrong board.
good luck with your GX.

In all fairness... shouldn't this thread be moved to: Lexus GX 470/460 section.

agreed. move it to gx forum

I don't understand your links. What is your point? Are you trying to somehow show that your GX is better or more reliable?? Sure, the LX570 has a few issues...it is a brand new redesign. Are you so certain that your GX won't have issues over the next two years? Hell, even before it got on track, it already got a major recall! I don't recall the LX ever having that kind of recall out of the gate.

The bottom line is that the LX is a superior vehicle to the GX in every single way except for price and available HID...and it should be given that its entry price is much higher.

I doubt it. The 4.6 has more torque and HP than the 4.7. It is more a case of power to weight ratios. The GX460 (curb weight 5300 lbs) is even heavier than the GX470 (curb weight 4900 lbs).

Done

Barn door? Think you might be confused with something else. Barn doors are two doors that open left and right. The GX460 has a lift gate.

I disagree. Maybe it's a terminology thing. The 4Runner has a "liftgate" or "hatch" IMO.

The GX470 and all gens of the RAV4 have barn doors. The first and second gen CR-V adds cumbersome that the lift glass needs to be opened before the tailgate can be swung opened, IIRC. To get full access to the cargo area, there is this door nearly the width of the vehicle that swings open, which by my definition is a "barn door".

The GX460 just incorporates a "lift glass" on the door to provide quick access to the cargo area. Similar to how the 4Runner has the roll down rear window that's an added bonus. But to get full access to the cargo area the door still needs to be swung open impeding access from the side when parallel parked.

The 4Runner with the roll down rear window is the best design out there.

Ok, my mistake on the door config, I must have been thinking 4Runner. Must be a terminology thing like you said, I've never heard barn door used for a single hinged door, only for double doors like on this 100 series.

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No, it doesn't. It is side-hinged.

its heavier probably from the beefed up frame? i dont know for sure, but doesnt it use the old LX, LC frame? The 4R, FJ and gx all have same frame i thought

Where did you hear that the new GX uses the old LX frame??!! Does that mean that the 5th gen uses the old LX frame too?

No, it does not. The GX460 frame is a slightly modified version of the GX470 frame with a few enhancements, according to Toyota. Enhancements = relocation of rear shocks, a few reinforcements here and there.