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Premium vs. Regular Fuel...the Final word?

Experts knock premium

Pricey gasoline doesn't benefit most kinds of automobiles
April 3, 2003
BY MARK PHELAN
DETROIT FREE PRESS BUSINESS WRITER

What difference does it make if you use regular or premium gasoline in your car?

About 20 cents a gallon.

It may be small comfort with gas prices remaining so high, but you virtually never gain anything by running a higher and more expensive grade of fuel than the manufacturer recommended, and you may not lose much if you use a lower grade of fuel, a variety of experts say.

A lot of people fill up with premium every third or fourth tank. Some do it to clean out the engine, some to get a little more power or help an older engine run smoothly.

It's a nice idea, but they might as well toss 20 cents a gallon into a wishing well.

"It's a waste of money," said Harold Schock, professor of mechanical engineering and director of Michigan State University's Automotive Research Experiment Station, which studies combustion systems.

"It doesn't make any difference for most people," Schock said. "Most engines are designed to operate on relatively low-octane fuel."

There is no power difference from high-octane premium to low-octane regular, said Robert Furey, a fuel specialist with General Motors Corp.

"Octane is simply a fuel's resistance to knocking," he said.

"There's no benefit if the octane is higher than the engine needs, but if it's too low, that can cause knocking," he said.

Engine knock -- what happens when fuel in a combustion chamber ignites before it should, causing a disruption in the engine's operation -- used to be a major concern, but devices called knock sensors have nearly eliminated it, said Pete Dowding, manager of Ford's modular V8 and V10 engine program.

Before electronic knock sensors became common, a bad tank of fuel could be disastrous, because persistent, severe knocking can destroy an engine, Furey said.

"If you find your car runs fine on a lower grade of fuel, go ahead," said Bill Hickman, spokesman for the American Petroleum Institute. "We don't encourage people to buy a higher grade. Just follow the manufacturer's suggestions."

Some automakers still say premium is required for their high-performance engines, but even they admit it's more of a suggestion than a command.

"Based on our high compression ratios, it's important to use premium," said Rob Mitchell, spokesman for BMW of North America.

"However, you can run on regular if no premium is available. We don't recommend it, but it won't damage the engine. There is a slight deterioration of performance, however."

Running regular fuel in an engine designed to use premium does reduce performance and fuel economy, Furey said, but too slightly for most drivers to notice.

GM requires premium for just two engines: its supercharged 3.8-liter V6, used in the V6 Buick Regal GS, and high-output 1.8-liter four-cylinder in the Pontiac Vibe GT.

Even the Chevrolet Corvette runs fine on regular, Furey said, although GM recommends premium for maximum performance.

On the other hand, some engines have sophisticated two-way knock sensors, which allow them to generate more power if you use a higher-octane fuel than the manufacturer recommends. Chrysler reportedly fits some of its engines with such sensors, meaning that a fill-up with premium actually can put a tiger in your tank.
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Here is an earlier discussion on this topic:

http://www.toyota-4runner.org/showth...=&threadid=306

From reading the article above, i guess GoodTimes is right...2003 4runners can run on regular fuel withOUT damage. I would still do what Toyota recommends for the engine.

Tough call....
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Thai:

It is indeed a tough call...

Those that use 87 have to be very alert of the way their vehicle drives. As long as you're careful and are aware of how your vehicle handles then there's no worry

I myself, always listen to my baby turn so the slightest off sounding noise, i check it out

But if someone wants to fund me on some extra 20 cents per gallon on 91/92, i'm all for it!! hehe

But if you have a force induced system (turbo/supercharger) or any performance additions, then 91/92 octane is a must!!!

well gas prices are going down!!! yey yey!! so maybe i might be able to afford some 91/92 octane!! hehe

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Yes the v8's can indeed run on 87 octane... But they run even better with 93... I've actually experimented once... I know a guy who is a master tech for toyota, he had a tundra once and he put 93 octane in it. After he fueled up, he reset the computer so it would'nt retard the engine for the lower burn time (87). In turn, it ran alot better and had alot more performance. Thai's article he cited is true for most cars... But some cars benefit from the later burn point.
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