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Originally posted by Hitman
One of the main reasons that belts became so widely used is the fact that they are much quieter than chains. Accuracy is not a factor for either belts or chains. Both are very accurate.
Chains are obviously more durable than belts, which is why manufacturers don't typically list a replacement interval for chains.
An experienced mechanic can hear a worn timing belt, believe it or not. I learned that years ago from one of our most experienced techs when I was working at Toyota.
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The chains will start to clank against the aluminum cover/head upon startup until the oil pressure is sufficient for the tensioner to tighten the chain. From Toyota mechanics I've spoken to, they've said the only cases when they see chains completely fail is when the tensioner fails, usually from being gummed up from infrequent oil changes. On the older 4Runners and mini's, the chain change interval is typically 120-150K mi (most people get rid of their cars by then), but I've spoke to people who have pushed 200-250K mi out of them. That's risky.
One nice thing about chains is they make a lot of noise well before they fail, so it's a pre-warning. One guy could hear the chain clattering, but cheaped-out and drove his pickup for one more month. The chain didn't break, but the slack in the chain caused it to wear through the aluminum head into the coolant lines. $2500 later, he was driving again. So if you hear constant clattering that doesn't stop after startup, it's change the chain ASAP.
The chains on the 1FZ-FE in the LC80 supposed to last 300K mi. BTW, Toyota used to use DOUBLE chains before '83 in their mini-pickups. Those were bullet-proof. Then around '84, they went to single chains and plastic chain guides instead of the rubber/steel ones. Those guides have been known to prematurely break. DOA Racing still sells the steel/rubber guides. I did read about one case where one guy changed the chain himself, but used too much black silicone rtv to seal up the oil pan. Pieces broke off and gummed up the tensioner. In other cases, I've heard of people having broken plastic chain guides at 30K mi. When buying chains, many companies claim to sell OEM chains/tensioners/guides for a lot less than dealers, but who's sure to know the origins of those parts? I ending up buying online from a Toyota dealer in Houston instead. And I changed my chain at 125K mi since I didn't want to be in, say, Death Valley and have the chain start to clatter.