Personally, I wouldn't want to get shot by anything, but I'm open to being proved wrong.

Tell ya what, Doug, get a buddy, a video camera and a 380 anything. Shoot yourself in the foot while your buddy videos it to prove to us how useless 380s are. Better yet, use a .22 and give us definitive proof why anything smaller than a .38 is a useless round.

Daren

p.s. New Mexico treats your car like your house. Anything, anywhere, concealed, loaded, etc. No permit needed.

agreed.

I think the .380 is a great round, for its intended use.

smallest i would own is a 9mm.. of course anything would hurt, but you need stopping power. Especially if somebody is drugged up.

but i personally carry a 40 cal s&w m&p compact

ha!!!

I wouldn't underestimate the .22 my 10 years as a medic i saw enough .22 holes in people that didn't make it because it enters and bounces around inside causing a slow painful death after tearing up a lot of organs inside.

Stopping power is a myth. There have been many documented cases of people getting a magazine full of .45s and keep coming or getting hit with a .22 and dropping on the spot.

Recently, there was the case of the lady who unloaded 5 rounds of .38 special into a burglar's face. She called 911 and ordered him to lay face down until the police arrived. I can't remember if he died, but the point is he laid down voluntarily, not because he was shot in the face.

Daren

agree on both, we've all heard that a .22 can bounce around in your body through organs etc, and of a drugged up guy getting a mag of .45 unloaded in him and still coming at you. But i still wouldnt carry anything under a 9mm.. preferably a 40 cal... If somebody is still gonna come at me with a mag of black talons or hollow points in their chest, then that is one bad azz mofo.

Stopping power is not necessarily a myth but it does work in conjunction with shot placement which is FAR more important than anything else. A 38 to the face is unlikely to kill you unless it enters into the the fatal diamond portion of your face. They like several lower velocity rounds will be redirected around bone sometimes. I have seen only 1 person survive that has been shit by our agency with our .45+p golden saber rounds and he was hit 4 times and NONE were vital areas but he still went down. I've seen people riddled with with bullets that kept going and people with 1 round that have been DRT. The basic as are smaller rounds tend to move faster and penetrate deeper but the larger usually slower rounds tend to transfer more energy into what they hit (stopping power).

A .22 will kill you just as fast as ANY round but if knockdown power were a complete myth than why wouldn't law enforcement and military agencies be carrying .22's? They damn sure don't carry .40 and up cause they're cheaper. None of that really matters though cause weather it's a bus or Volkswagen I still don't want to get hit buy a car and the same goes for a damn bullet. I'm pretty sure the largest majority of folks here would agree.


Carry what your most comfortable with and able to conceal. It's a lot harder to conceal a .45 than a .380 but make sure your proficient with whatever it is because in the end that is most likely what will save your life if you need it not the size of the bullet.

As you can tell from my name I work in the Government bed and breakfast division. I have seen inmates shot with every thing from 25 acp up to a guy that was gut shot with a 12 gauge. The key to stopping the threat with one shot is to shut down the central nervous system, baring the once in a life time shot of a pass through that severs the spinal cord, it is going to boil down to how fast the bad guy leaks out. I have seen an inmate that was shot 4 times with a 40 cal left to right pass through of his upper body up walking around fine 6 months later. On the other hand I have also seen one that was shot in the back with a .22 mag derringer that is in a wheel chair and shitting in a bag. The.45 just makes a mess of people with good ammo but without proper shot placement it wont matter what you shoot.As far as CCW goes in a vehicle the easiest way I have found is with a clip on cross draw holster with my t-shirt hanging over it. I personally carry a Glock 19 off duty strong side behind the hip with 124 grain speer gold dot +p (Agency Issued). No matter what you carry be mindful of how long it will take to draw that weapon. Lugeto has a point about the bad guy will already have his weapon out and ready. Maybe the best plan is to decide what you are willing to do to escape the situation rather than stand and fight but if you are presented with no choice be certain of your draw with no hesitation and employ the weapon with extreme accuracy. You must remember that fine motor skills go right out the window so any holster that has small snaps may not be the best choice. Getting off my soap box now but one last thought if you carry a gun for protection how ever much shooting you are doing double it. I have been shooting for 35 years doing small club shoots and for the last 15 training with my Department and even occasionally during high stress scenarios I will still fumble with the locks on my duty gear. So practice practice and practice some more.

False I carry a 40 issued by work. The federal Agency I worked for issued 40's most PD have done away with 9mm and went to 40

Not really. My agency issues .40 but some of our surrounding agencies and county have gone to 9mm. My agency actually just changed policy where we can now carry 9mm if we choose, just that we have to supply our own ammo because it's not our issued caliber. I own and shoot both on the regular and I prefer 9mm.

I don't think you understood what I meant.

I said they don't carry .40 and up because of the fact that they are cheaper in a facetious manor. Implying that they do carry them and they are more expensive, so they must use those because of something other than cost, like knock down power, ballistics, etc.

I know most agencies issue a .40. I doubt there are very many that still regularly issue a .9mm as the primary duty weapon unless it is a very low budget agency or one that is to overrun with the political end of things to actually worry about their officers and citizens safety.

ewww supplying your own ammo Forget that carry what they give

Can't even believe they would give you that option nor can i believe the fop allowing it to pass interesting.

EDIT: Wrong thread. Not sure what happened.

Gota' get one of these...

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