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the link you provided above only goes over what states have voter ID laws.
It in no way validates the false claim that Non-citizens can vote. When you vote, even if an ID is not required there are still voter polls and non citizens are not on those lists. Also claiming to be a new local resident and a citizen then voting would be a felony. It is simply not something that these undocumented / illegal are doing.
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06-12-2013, 02:49 PM
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I will leave you with this, the US department of immigration concluded that US citizens are far more likely to commit a crime than an undocumented immigrant is.
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Since I'm short on time, I'll just respond to this sentence.
100% of the people who are here illegally, simply by being here illegally, have committed a crime..
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06-12-2013, 02:53 PM
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Since I'm short on time, I'll just respond to this sentence.
100% of the people who are here illegally, simply by being here illegally, have committed a crime..
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a FEDERAL crime.
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06-12-2013, 03:12 PM
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it makes no sense saying "its illegal for them to vote so they must not be doing it"
so by your logic only people here legally smoke weed?
only people here legally jay walk?
only legals make turns without using their turn signal?
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06-12-2013, 03:44 PM
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it makes no sense saying "its illegal for them to vote so they must not be doing it"
so by your logic only people here legally smoke weed?
only people here legally jay walk?
only legals make turns without using their turn signal?
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The thing is your comments don't charge the fact that no evidence has been shown/linked that proves illegal residents are voting in US elections.
Sure some states have loose voter ID laws but that isn't evidence of voter fraud. By your logic just because a county doesn't require an ID therefore illegal residents are committing voter fraud. That isn't evidence.
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06-12-2013, 04:08 PM
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i got kicked out one time for yelling at the workers because the hispanic lady next to me trying to get her liscence couldnt speak english and had her 8 year old kid translating for her. the DMV worker asked "does she have a green card or social security card?" kid replied "no", DMV worker "ok thats fine just sign here and we will get her liscence ready". i blew up and got kicked out
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Yes this is an issue in multiple states. I agree with much of what RandyDaytona said.
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so show me proof that they are NOT voting illegally?
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06-12-2013, 05:09 PM
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Don't all states now obey the relatively new Federal requirements for DL issue/renew ?
(Birth Cert, actual Soc Sec card, utility bills to prove residence) - that's what it takes in GA now.
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06-12-2013, 05:57 PM
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Are you equating Hispanics who cross the borders (happily) illegally under their own power at their own will to the black slaves, who were dragged and shackled against their will from their homes elsewhere and shipped to a foreign land to become obedient work servants??
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Look at da bright side doh, ahleast most uh dem spoked english.
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06-13-2013, 09:01 AM
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it makes no sense saying "its illegal for them to vote so they must not be doing it"
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It makes just as little sense to assume that because some states may have a loophole in their voter ID requirements, that illegals are voting on any scale that can make a difference.
If an illegal is engaged in criminal activity, they really don't care about voting.
If they're working, they're normally working SO MUCH that they also don't care (not to mention they know they legally can't and don't exactly want to draw any more attention to themselves than they have to, anyway).
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06-13-2013, 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by fourwd1
The shit-hole state of Maryland where I live also gives drivers licenses to Illegal Aliens.
And on top of that, it gives them the right to vote, with no questions asked.
And the left-wing alien-pandering governor Martin O'Taxme got an "In-state college tuition for Illegals" legislation passed. They are costing me and other working citizens in the state over $1.5 Billion dollars a year in hand outs.
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06-13-2013, 07:30 PM
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I don't mind illegals being here, but they should have no rights whatsoever. No licenses, no cars, no jobs, no healthcare. And it should be 100% legal to kill an illegal. Same goes for 3 time offenders and drunk drivers.
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06-13-2013, 07:54 PM
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Welcome to the South in the 1850s, or is it Germany in the 1930s? Of course, it ain't North America in the 1500s, cause then it would be them same "illegals" asking "what's up with all these honkys coming over here in they funky boats stealing all the good jobs?"
Licenses allow the state to ensure that people, who are going to drive anyway, meet a certain understanding of laws and can drive. It also allows them to get insurance, something we all want (and many will get insurance). So, deny them licenses, but you leave folks like me at risk (safety and financial) in doing so.
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06-14-2013, 11:47 AM
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I don't mind illegals being here, but they should have no rights whatsoever. No licenses, no cars, no jobs, no healthcare. And it should be 100% legal to kill an illegal. Same goes for 3 time offenders and drunk drivers.
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Kill them? Um...OK.
As far as everything else, why on earth would it be OK with you for illegals to "be here," yet have no way to make a living? Doesn't make sense.
Here's my plan:
Anyone can come here and work. But they have to pay taxes. And there's no automatic citizenship for simply being born on US soil, like there is now.
They get no Social Security benefits (yet they still have to pay into it, which should "save" SS). No voting rights. No welfare. No property ownership. You work to make your own way, and if you can't, you have to leave.
After 20 years, they can apply for citizenship. And it involves a real English proficiency and American history exam (not the goofy one they have now). And English becomes the "official" language. No more catering to foreigners by state or federal governments by printing materials in multiple languages, like at the DMV.
Or...they can apply after 10 years if they serve those 10 years in the military under honorable conditions. Likewise if it's deemed that they somehow made a significant contribution to our country (scientists, doctors, etc.).
Anyone convicted of a felony is gone. We're not going to fill our prisons with people who don't contribute.
In a nutshell, work hard, assimilate, and become an American, just like immigrants did in the 19th and early 20th centuries. Don't isolate yourselves
in your own little communities, ignore the English language, etc., and then lobby for benefits for your particular "group."
Not a perfect plan, but adopting much of it would solve some issues, I think.
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06-14-2013, 12:49 PM
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Kill them? Um...OK.
As far as everything else, why on earth would it be OK with you for illegals to "be here," yet have no way to make a living? Doesn't make sense.
Here's my plan:
Anyone can come here and work. But they have to pay taxes. And there's no automatic citizenship for simply being born on US soil, like there is now.
They get no Social Security benefits (yet they still have to pay into it, which should "save" SS). No voting rights. No welfare. No property ownership. You work to make your own way, and if you can't, you have to leave.
After 20 years, they can apply for citizenship. And it involves a real English proficiency and American history exam (not the goofy one they have now). And English becomes the "official" language. No more catering to foreigners by state or federal governments by printing materials in multiple languages, like at the DMV.
Or...they can apply after 10 years if they serve those 10 years in the military under honorable conditions. Likewise if it's deemed that they somehow made a significant contribution to our country (scientists, doctors, etc.).
Anyone convicted of a felony is gone. We're not going to fill our prisons with people who don't contribute.
In a nutshell, work hard, assimilate, and become an American, just like immigrants did in the 19th and early 20th centuries. Don't isolate yourselves
in your own little communities, ignore the English language, etc., and then lobby for benefits for your particular "group."
Not a perfect plan, but adopting much of it would solve some issues, I think.
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no matter how, you want to word it, or how you say it,, its still AMNESTY.....
They are FEDERAL CRIMINALS,, yet they are NOT being arrested and jailed ????
That IS amnesty......
if I broke a federal law, if I committed a federal crime, I would be arrested and jailed, I wouldn't get amnesty.
Amnesty will cost Americans, $999 BILLION, https://www.numbersusa.com/content/l...forcement.html
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