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06-18-2013, 01:33 AM
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Snowden: Patriot or Traitor?
Edited: Revised the poll answers to better suit the question. Sorry if you already voted or replied.
What do you guys think?
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06-18-2013, 08:42 AM
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Both.
He revealed classified info.
But he also revealed the how much the Obama administration is eroding our civil liberties.
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06-18-2013, 09:01 AM
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I always assumed Big Brother was watching anyway. Anyone else? What makes me angry is they invade our privacy, but they can't stop the obvious bad guys like the Boston bombers.
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06-18-2013, 10:25 AM
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I'm not sure yet. Maybe both. I think he's walking a fine line, but I haven't updated myself to the story since late last week sometime either.
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06-18-2013, 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by fourwd1
both.
He revealed classified info.
But he also revealed the how much the obama administration is eroding our civil liberties.
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exactly!
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06-18-2013, 11:25 AM
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Specifically what makes him a possible traitor is the recent revelations via classified documents he released regarding US & China military hacking and penetrated systems. Also he released documents showing the US actively spy's on its allies.
Those disclosures have little to do with US spying on its own civilians and everything to do with US National security operations.
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06-18-2013, 11:28 AM
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Both.
He revealed classified info.
But he also revealed the how much the Obama administration is eroding our civil liberties.
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Not an Obama fan here either but it is worth mentioning that the programs we are talking about went live in 2006 and were designed for years before that.
This is the post 9/11 security apparatus coming to life and it has nothing to do with Obama. If McCain had won the program would be the same.
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06-18-2013, 11:34 AM
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welll. if he doesnt give any info to the chinese or the russkies...i did say he is 40% patroit, 60% traitor....but once he crosses that line...he is a traitor!...
nb: you should include BOTH in the options
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welll. if he doesnt give any info to the chinese or the russkies...i did say he is 40% patroit, 60% traitor....but once he crosses that line...he is a traitor!...
nb: you should include BOTH in the options
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06-18-2013, 01:16 PM
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Forget politics for a minute. This guy is a traitor plain and simple. Sure, it's nice to know that even this post is probably being monitored but unfortunately now the bad guys know it too. Should have done it a different way and not gone global with it. Good intentions but bad and long lasting execution. He hurt our country by revealing classified secrets.
I don't agree with the surveillance either but that is a completely different point.
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06-18-2013, 06:55 PM
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There are some really good points here. Normally I steer clear of anything related to politics but I really wanted to hear what you guys think.
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Quote:
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Forget politics for a minute. This guy is a traitor plain and simple. Sure, it's nice to know that even this post is probably being monitored but unfortunately now the bad guys know it too. Should have done it a different way and not gone global with it. Good intentions but bad and long lasting execution. He hurt our country by revealing classified secrets.
I don't agree with the surveillance either but that is a completely different point.
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Totally agree. Hope he's found and then slowly, publicly, and painfully executed. Never happen but one can hope.
What he did was devastating and certainly put American lives at risk.
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06-22-2013, 04:56 PM
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There are some really good points here. Normally I steer clear of anything related to politics but I really wanted to hear what you guys think.
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No offense dude but its kind of lame to ask us our opinion and keep your to yourself. What do you think?
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06-22-2013, 05:46 PM
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No offense dude but its kind of lame to ask us our opinion and keep your to yourself. What do you think?
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Fair enough.
I don't like how it was handled. I don't like the fact that the guy that is leaking all these secret is hiding in China. It's not like we are best friends with the Chinese.
I don't like my privacy being invaded anymore than anyone else but I pray to God that this guy doesn't give China any they can use.
I wish it would have been handle differently.
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