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Black works , I've been there too and will most likely be there again at some point. I'm not trying to repeat the same stuff as everyone else but honestly, the advice is solid. I quit my job 6 years ago to start my own bussiness. I divorced my wife, I reunited with my high school sweetheart and had 2 sons with her. I took up offroading on a weekly basis, learned all about trucks and repairing them. I frequent the shooting range, I tried kick boxing, working out, drinking, drugs, sex, money, work and everything else under the sun. Basically I completely changed my life. It helped to make it a busy, hectic, full life. You need to find what makes you happy. Without change you can't find that. I still have deep depression especially this time of year when its always dark and cold. But I have so many reasons too keep going. That's not what I call a cure for depression , but it helps. Keep busy !
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Sorry to hear man...I've been through some of that myself. There are no easy answers as everyone's situation is different.

What helped me was getting out...cross country road trip, traveling, change of scenery (moved from Cali to Tennessee) and skydiving. As strange as it may sound, doing something that scares you can help (helped me) put things in perspective...also, food tasted great afterwards. But that is short lived. What really kept me from going over was the birth of my son...I have to be there for him.

I hope you find what you are looking for...hope you find peace.

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I'm not entirely sure how to start this thread, this is one of many attempts to actually write up a thread like this (the last step of submitting it seems to prove the most difficult part.) Pretty much no one on this forum save for a couple of people who briefly spoke with me on a trail ride or meet, know me beyond my technical posts and attempts to help members with their vehicles. I'm not entirely sure how much I feel comfortable divulging, so here goes...

I have Severe Clinical Depression and Asperger's Syndrome.

I've just basically been more or less stagnant. I find it more and more difficult to find motivation in anything. I'm just at a point now where it honestly feels like I should just give up and accept that it'll always get worse and that's just how it is?

I am sure there are others out there like me that struggle with Depression and other disorders and find themselves in the same difficulty I am in now; so I'm opening the floor to you...
Yup. I know. Truly. It just wears you down.
I am sorry you are feeling so sad. I am sorry you have been feeling this way for so long. It is not your fault. I know this doesn't solve the problem but I think it is important that you understand it is not your fault.
What you NEED to do is get a brain scan. Amen Clinics | Brain Imaging, Therapy, and Treatments. The founders last name just happens to be Amen, it is not a religious thing. This has been a total complete absolute game changer for me. total complete absolute game changer. It is the same as an X-ray for a broken bone or an MRI for a dislocated shoulder. It is a diagnostic tool for the brain. It is a real time image of your brain in its dynamic state. It is a picture of your brain's health. It shows how fast and slow its various activity centers are running. Some may be running too hot, some may be running too cold. It is fascinating stuff.
What you have is a brain chemistry issue. I am stating this as clearly and unequivocally as I am able. Your issue is not behavioral, or circumstantial, or a matter of willpower, or not enough exercise, or whatever thing anyone else says instead of brain chemistry. Your brain is not healthy. You need to literally get your head examined, not by a therapist, not by a psychologist, not via a questionnaire, not through traditional clinical diagnosis.
Just as an X-ray is used to determine if a bone is broken, a SPECT scan will determine which areas of your brain are broken. You need not be worn down to nothing by the depression. Get a brain scan. Make an appt at the closest Amen clinic location and go get a scan.

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try the following:
1.)make sure you religiously take daily your vitamin/mineral supplements. google which vitamins/supplements are good for the brain(when the brain is lacking in something, it manifests this deficiency as depression, or mental illnesses. having said that, there are mental issues that are largely genetic -thats a tougher nut, but at least nutritional supplements for the brain should help to a certain degree
2.) get enough sunshine. survey have shown that countries or states with less sunshine have higher depression rates ...or move to sunshine state:
http://www.webmd.com/depression/feat...-sad-sufferers
3.) make sure your house is bright and cheerful - no heavy drapes -try light colored curtains to let in the daylight into the house, maybe a sunroof, and no dreary colors in the house - e.g.
Pink prisons in Switzerland to calm inmates - Telegraph
4.) play cheerful music - no sad love songs in the 4runner or house(throw all sad songs in the garbage). play military music or dance music. watch comedies !!!
5. Avoid negative people. join groups, join the gym, play teamsports.
6.if your spouse or relative, friend is dragging you down and abusing you, then dump them.
7. work outdoors - clean the yard, work on the truck, paint the house, plant vegetables and fruits, hike, jog,
8. keep the mind busy-read an engrossing book , chase women perhaps(?) dont let you mind be idle and wander to sad thoughts.
9. It helps a lot to have a cheerful/strong and supportive spouse, and if your single, go get a partner or at least a dog or pet. Don't live alone(unless your mental/brain is ok) ,e.g.
http://psychcentral.com/blog/archive...ve-depression/
hope that helps somewhat . above all dont hide your condition-seek help. God bless !

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Just as an X-ray is used to determine if a bone is broken, a SPECT scan will determine which areas of your brain are broken. You need not be worn down to nothing by the depression. Get a brain scan.
Ok so I ask this seriously ...

How it's this going to help? Will the doctor say "I see X post of your brain is abi-normal, take this exact drug" ? I mean OP already knows he is depressed. He already knows he is struggling. How does the scan *specifically help with treatment?

Edit ... I will watch the ted talk. Im just curious because I wasn't aware that treatment methods had advanced very much in the last 5 years.

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Op said he rarely does physical exercise. Getting on a good solid 5 days a week exercise routine and eating as healthy (not vegi but at least ditch ALL fast food and junk food, snacks, soda etc) as possible would probably be a great place to start.
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I'm a little intrigued by the brain scan idea, I've read some recent studies on using it as a diagnostic technique but I am not aware of it really being vetted yet. Another issue may be my Asperger's as my brain is fundamentally wired differently than say a normal person's because Autistic Spectrum Disorders aren't just chemical imbalances.

I did feedback therapy long ago when I was younger, it was an interesting experience and I think it did help some when I was a youngin' so I'm open to oddball ideas.

I hate bright places, always have... symptom of many Autistic Spectrum Disorders is light and sound sensitivity (I can hear part of dog whistles and high frequency noise most people can't).

I have my father coming into town for Thanksgiving which is something I am actually looking forward to as I rarely see him and enjoy our talks, so that's something I guess. My work schedule is so stupidly chaotic right now thanks to our "brilliant" service manager (apparently I'm the only guy at the entire dealership that has to be at work at 3 different time schedules through out the week among other BS) that I don't even have time for coffee most days let along much else in the mornings. I really need a vacation, so I'm looking into taking a couple weeks off in January to relax in Tahoe, but our family's cabin is being remodeled so I have no place to stay up there and most hotels are ridiculously expensive... so probably no vacation this year... like last year.
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Ok so I ask this seriously ...

How it's this going to help? Will the doctor say "I see X post of your brain is abi-normal, take this exact drug" ?
yes, that's how it works.

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I'm a little intrigued by the brain scan idea, I've read some recent studies on using it as a diagnostic technique but I am not aware of it really being vetted yet. Another issue may be my Asperger's as my brain is fundamentally wired differently than say a normal person's because Autistic Spectrum Disorders aren't just chemical imbalances.
Your mind is working fine. Your ability to think and reason is normal. Your brain, which is an organ like a pancreas or kidney, is not functioning as intended. It is out of whack and needs tending to. First step is an accurate diagnosis.
Your Asperger's will not be a problem re brain scan. In fact, you will probably gain some insight into the particulars of your variation of Asperger's.

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I'm a little intrigued by the brain scan idea, I've read some recent studies on using it as a diagnostic technique but I am not aware of it really being vetted yet. Another issue may be my Asperger's as my brain is fundamentally wired differently than say a normal person's because Autistic Spectrum Disorders aren't just chemical imbalances.

I did feedback therapy long ago when I was younger, it was an interesting experience and I think it did help some when I was a youngin' so I'm open to oddball ideas.

I hate bright places, always have... symptom of many Autistic Spectrum Disorders is light and sound sensitivity (I can hear part of dog whistles and high frequency noise most people can't).

I have my father coming into town for Thanksgiving which is something I am actually looking forward to as I rarely see him and enjoy our talks, so that's something I guess. My work schedule is so stupidly chaotic right now thanks to our "brilliant" service manager (apparently I'm the only guy at the entire dealership that has to be at work at 3 different time schedules through out the week among other BS) that I don't even have time for coffee most days let along much else in the mornings. I really need a vacation, so I'm looking into taking a couple weeks off in January to relax in Tahoe, but our family's cabin is being remodeled so I have no place to stay up there and most hotels are ridiculously expensive... so probably no vacation this year... like last year.
Just an uneducated opinion here, but what it sounds like you could benefit from is a change of pace. We all go through these times when you're stuck doing the same thing day in day out, and it just gets irritating. +1 on the vacation idea, if I was in your shoes I'd make it an effort to go on one especially because you skipped last years. If Tahoe is too expensive, find something cheaper

Getting away for even just a few days to clear your mind would probably do wonders, no matter the destination.
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I agree with the last post…..a change of pace can make a difference. I too have had depression for a long time. After trying different meds we finally found one thats "helps". I still have lots of days that just suck.

We have our own business that we run out of our house, so its always the same scenery. Some days it just drives me insane. If I can get out of the house and go for a drive and just drive, it makes me feel better.

Its makes it harder when others around you don't understand what your going through. For a long time my mom didn't even believe depression was a real disease.

Just a thought, this is the worst time of the year for me, when we change the clocks and its dark way too early. Does the time change bother you?

It is very cool to see people open up to help others out!! This might sound funny but try it…..open a map of your state, close your eyes and stick you finger on the map. Where ever your finger lands go to that place….take a road trip even just the weekend and explore a new place!!
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I'm a little intrigued by the brain scan idea, I've read some recent studies on using it as a diagnostic technique but I am not aware of it really being vetted yet. Another issue may be my Asperger's as my brain is fundamentally wired differently than say a normal person's because Autistic Spectrum Disorders aren't just chemical imbalances.
It has been vetted. Very very vetted.
It is, in my opinion, the future of psychiatry. I believe it will become the primary tool in psychiatric diagnostics.
I, both sisters, both brother-in-laws, my niece, and a good family friend have been scanned. There were clearly issues with all of our brains except my sisters'. It has been a game changer for each of us. It is the cornerstone upon which our treatment has been built. By proper treatment I mean the correct meds in the correct combination in the correct doses. Again, my mind worked fine. I was able to think and reason and analyze. But my brain, the organ in my head, was malfunctioning.
Emotionally I was disconnected and flat, I was unable to concentrate and follow through, I was blah. It's not that I felt particularly sad, it's that I just didn't feel much at all. I was emotionally disconnected from myself and the people around me. I had (have) a mood disorder. I was depressed. Some things I did would provide a brief respite from the dullness, but it did not correct the fundamental flaw. One cannot force a vehicle with an empty tank to run through sheer willpower anymore than one can force oneself to feel happy through sheer willpower when clinically depressed.
I am not talking about yay!-everything-is-wonderful-i-am-filled-with-joy-all-the-time happy. I am talking about a normal degree of happiness, a normal degree of sadness, a normal emotional reaction to various events or thoughts.
Anyone reading this, please do not go off on a tangent regarding what is normal happiness, what is a normal emotional reaction. I am not addressing the philosophical meaning of happiness, I am talking about basic human emotions we all have. I am talking about clearly depressed people. I am using a common sense definition of happy and depressed. Clinically Depressed doesn't necessarily mean crying or feeling intensely sad. It can be a general listlessness, being emotionally disconnected, emotionally flat.
About 6 months after I was accurately diagnosed and started taking my daily cocktail of lamictal, wellbutrin and adderal, I had my first real cry in about 20 years. I had myself a good long sob with tears and all. I was feeling so so sad. The irony is that my feeling so sad was a good sign. It was a positive response to the treatment. The point is that I was FEELING. I am not artificially pumped up on happy pills. My brain chemistry is healthy now, so I actually feel happy, or pissed off, or anxious, or satisfied, or proud or whatever. My brain is working properly and I am able to engage in linear thoughts. I am able to maintain concentration on a task or idea. This is a huge difference from when I just could not do this no matter how hard I tried, no matter what I did. I am living a connected life, connected to people, connected to myself, connected to ideas, to feelings. Oh yeah, I started dreaming again. You know, REM sleep dreams. Basic normal human sleep dreams. This and the crying were the first two simple and clear manifestations of the constructive transformation I have experienced in the past 3 years.
Call the Amen Clinic. Get a scan. There is no reason not to do this because there is literally no downside. There is nothing but upside. Proper diagnosis = proper treatment = return to health.

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Call the Amen Clinic. Get a scan. There is no reason not to do this because there is literally no downside. There is nothing but upside. Proper diagnosis = proper treatment = return to health.
There's your getaway, vacation, change of pace, etc all in one. Nothing to lose but so much to gain.
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I'm a little intrigued by the brain scan idea
I am not a neuropsychiatrist, not a neurologist, and not a radiologist. But, i am in the medical field and practice evidence-based medicine (at least to the best of my ability).

SPECT scans are good for CNS (brain/neuro system) tumors, lymphoma, neuroblastoma, and seizures. Are there rare indications for other stuff? Maybe, but standard of care in using SPECT is for these indications.

Are there radiation concerns due to SPECT? Yes. How much? Probably close to a CT scan? Again, i am no expert in how much radiation you are exposed to.

BlackWorksInc, if you're elderly, then yeah, knock yourself out with these scans! Go for a scan buffet! My radialogist brother would appreciate your business!

However, if you're young, then i would encourage you to step back and consider the risks. Remember, in all likelihood (if you're young), this SPECT scan won't be your last x-ray in your life. For example, a person who gets a SPECT at age 25. 5 years later, he gets into a motor vehicle accident and gets a full body CT Scan (per ER protocol). More radiation. Later in life, this person broke a few bones...more x-rays...or develop a cough and need a chest x-ray. And then a few years later, this person needs some other x-rays done. You get my point. Radiation adds up in your body over your life.

I have yelled at frequent (dumb) ER patients about telling the truth when they visit or else they get x-ray'ed repeatedly. Over time, they will pay for it with their health/life. I have personally known more than a few of these type of patients who develop cancers (note: plural) as they get older. (Yes, i have been practicing medicine for a while.) Sure, these cancers could be from bad luck, genetics, or radiation exposure...or a little of all three.

Any young patient of mine will get the bare minimum radiation exposure...for their sake. I avoid CT scans unless they failed to respond to initial therapy or their symptoms are complex. And i explain the reason why i am going conservative on them. On elderly folks, i am more open because they will not live long enough to experience the potential harm from radiation.

You decide. Don't read any rinky-dink internet blog/profile/website. Ask a licensed medical person in the field who is not linked to the business that you are interested in. Again, i don't expect you to listen to me...see my disclaimer above...but FOR YOUR SAKE, be careful of what you read on the internet/forum/etc..

I cannot help you with your depression (thus, no comment until now) because it is way above my medical knowledge. But, GOOD LUCK and God speed in getting it worked out.

Happy Turkey Day next week with your father.

EDIT: one more thing...if you eat a balanced diet, then you probably do NOT need a multi-vitamin. I would get a Vit-D level checked because that is one vitamin that is a good one to take IF you are deficient (easy to check at any clinic via blood test).
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I'm not entirely sure how to start this thread, this is one of many attempts to actually write up a thread like this (the last step of submitting it seems to prove the most difficult part.) Pretty much no one on this forum save for a couple of people who briefly spoke with me on a trail ride or meet, know me beyond my technical posts and attempts to help members with their vehicles. I'm not entirely sure how much I feel comfortable divulging, so here goes...

I have Severe Clinical Depression and Asperger's Syndrome.

I'm not a stranger to adversity, its been the staple of my life and it will continue to be until I die. I've always managed to somehow survive through most anything, but these past couple of years have hit me harder than most and have proven subsequently more difficult to recover from. It doesn't help that I've basically been beaten down and continued to be kicked while I'm down these past couple of years, for the most part I've just basically been more or less stagnant. I find it more and more difficult to find motivation in anything, honestly I genuinely feel like I have little will to continue living. Not to say I'm suicidal, but I just don't feel like I have the drive to keep trying to live my life if that makes any sense. I find my self more and more struggling with apathy to the point that it tamps out most any other emotion, I end up struggling to wake up in the morning vs. just remaining unconscious. I'm just at a point now where it honestly feels like I should just give up and accept that it'll always get worse and that's just how it is?

I'm not really looking for heartfelt sympathy, hugs, or anything like that to be honest with you; I'm just sort of curious how some of my fellow members continue to find the desire to live their life in the face of such hopelessness. I am sure there are others out there like me that struggle with Depression and other disorders and find themselves in the same difficulty I am in now; so I'm opening the floor to you... I'm not entirely sure what I am looking for in this thread, but maybe it'll at the very least help someone else out?
Hi I just found this thread and read it. You are on the right path my friend with acknowledging your feelings. I do not suffer form this but my youngest daughter feel the way you have been and I can say that all the advise you have been given here is great. I believe that the best is to find a relationship with The Lord God our savior. He is the way I make it thru the worry I have for my daughter. Find a great Bible teaching church. Don't just look for religion it's about knowing God and letting him work in your life. Also I pray everyday for you and all others who suffer from this.
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Go to the website. Amen Clinics | Brain Imaging, Therapy, and Treatments
Read about the process.
Read the FAQ. Frequently Asked Questions and Answers | Amen Clinics

A couple of relevant excerpts:

"We believe we are the best place in the world to have this study done, because we have a database of over 75,000 scans and have been doing this work for nearly 25 years."

"The typical effective dose of radiation from one SPECT scan (based on patient mass) is on the order or 250-300 mrem (millirem). Two of our SPECT scans are roughly equivalent to, or a bit less than, one CT scan of the abdomen or pelvis (about 0.7 to 1.0 rem, depending on protocol).

This amount of exposure is well below the cut-off level (10.0 rem) for any known potential or observable health risks. For more information on radiation you can visit the Health Physics Society website at www.hps.org"
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