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i eat fastfood maybe once every couple months, i only drink water, milk, 100percent organic fruit juice, and once in a while a horchata(mexican drink)
i eat nothing in a can, veggies fresh or frozen, i dont drink, smoke etc.
i dont take pills(on a very rare occasion) if theres a natural way i would rather do that. i try to eat and drink healthy, but i do have some junk every now and then. Mostly get my veggies from a farmers market locally grown , more for personal reasons than health wise.
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05-08-2014, 08:39 PM
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i eat fastfood maybe once every couple months, i only drink water, milk, 100percent organic fruit juice, and once in a while a horchata(mexican drink)
i eat nothing in a can, veggies fresh or frozen, i dont drink, smoke etc.
i dont take pills(on a very rare occasion) if theres a natural way i would rather do that. i try to eat and drink healthy, but i do have some junk every now and then. Mostly get my veggies from a farmers market locally grown , more for personal reasons than health wise.
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I would if I could, unfortunately military school and the reserves don't allow for that. I hate when I get MREs, I feel bogged down, sluggish and overall sh*tty after eating as little as I possibly can out of them while still being able to function normally. They really shove a lot of crap in there to make them last and semi taste like real food.
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05-08-2014, 10:14 PM
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Man, that picture of the cheeseburger almost made me sick.
Don't know if its true or not but but a ex of mine, her little brother worked at mc Donald's for a month and said the USDA stamping on the box was grade "D" beef.
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05-09-2014, 02:45 PM
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- dont use a microwave
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What's wrong with using a microwave?
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05-09-2014, 03:45 PM
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05-09-2014, 04:49 PM
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What's wrong with using a microwave?
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Nothing. Nor is eating a McDonalds hamburger, cleaning with chemicals, eating store bought vegetables or anything else hundreds of millions of people do every day with no ill effects. Reading some of these posts you would think the only safe way to exist would to drink boiled and filtered water only and only eat veggies grown in pure soil procured from under a glacier in Nepal or something.
We used to live to 47 on average now its 76 so apparently some of this crap we are doing must be working lol.
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05-09-2014, 05:53 PM
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As far as being scared to death about our environment and the fact that we are living longer in modern times, I think its important to distinguish the fact that most of us arent being unreasonable about making a common sense effort to reduce exposure wherever we can:
- Dont cook with teflon coated pans
- Use glass or steel instead of plastic
- Buy clothes made of natural fibers instead of synthetic
- Dont smoke?
- Wear a respirator when you are sanding or painting
- Dont huff gasoline
- wear gloves when you handle automotive or cleaning chemicals
- clean your stuff with vinegar and baking soda instead of bleach
- buy organic where possible
- use a R/O filter for your water
- dont use a microwave
The list goes on. Just being conscious about materials and methods is really all we need to do, right?
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Implied in the pursuit of health is interest in the prior avoidance of death or severe illness/incapacitation.
On a prioritized list of the most likely causes of the above, something like a microwave oven wouldn't even appear unless theoretical/hypothetical causes were included. In any event, it would be nowhere near page 1 on such a list. A separate report would be more fitting.
The top portion of such a list is likely to contain some inconvenient items -- like automobile driving, for one. If you have to drive 5 miles to donate your microwave oven, you've almost certainly risked more than continuing to use it.
So the main problem with concern over obscure risks is that they can be a distraction from page 1 items that may have been ignored.
To illustrate how signal can tend to get lost in noise, I'll take a quick stab at annotating your list. Objectively, smoking would have more effect than all the other items combined.
- Dont cook with teflon coated pans - Nowhere near page 1
- Use glass or steel instead of plastic - Nowhere near page 1
- Buy clothes made of natural fibers instead of synthetic - Separate Report
- Dont smoke? - Page 1
- Wear a respirator when you are sanding or painting - Dose dependent, use common sense
- Dont huff gasoline - Dose dependent, use common sense
- wear gloves when you handle automotive or cleaning chemicals - Dose dependent, use common sense
- clean your stuff with vinegar and baking soda instead of bleach - Nowhere near page 1
- buy organic where possible - Nowhere near page 1
- use a R/O filter for your water - Nowhere near page 1
- dont use a microwave - Separate Report
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05-09-2014, 07:50 PM
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Implied in the pursuit of health is interest in the prior avoidance of death or severe illness/incapacitation.
On a prioritized list of the most likely causes of the above, something like a microwave oven wouldn't even appear unless theoretical/hypothetical causes were included. In any event, it would be nowhere near page 1 on such a list. A separate report would be more fitting.
The top portion of such a list is likely to contain some inconvenient items -- like automobile driving, for one. If you have to drive 5 miles to donate your microwave oven, you've almost certainly risked more than continuing to use it.
So the main problem with concern over obscure risks is that they can be a distraction from page 1 items that may have been ignored.
To illustrate how signal can tend to get lost in noise, I'll take a quick stab at annotating your list. Objectively, smoking would have more effect than all the other items combined.
- Dont cook with teflon coated pans - Nowhere near page 1
- Use glass or steel instead of plastic - Nowhere near page 1
- Buy clothes made of natural fibers instead of synthetic - Separate Report
- Dont smoke? - Page 1
- Wear a respirator when you are sanding or painting - Dose dependent, use common sense
- Dont huff gasoline - Dose dependent, use common sense
- wear gloves when you handle automotive or cleaning chemicals - Dose dependent, use common sense
- clean your stuff with vinegar and baking soda instead of bleach - Nowhere near page 1
- buy organic where possible - Nowhere near page 1
- use a R/O filter for your water - Nowhere near page 1
- dont use a microwave - Separate Report
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Totally agree. My page 1 items to worry about?
1. No exercise
2. High Stress Job or life
3. Driving lots of miles
4. Bad genetic parents
The items on that list? My items above will get you before they do lol.
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05-12-2014, 10:35 AM
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Nothing. Nor is eating a McDonalds hamburger, cleaning with chemicals, eating store bought vegetables or anything else hundreds of millions of people do every day with no ill effects. Reading some of these posts you would think the only safe way to exist would to drink boiled and filtered water only and only eat veggies grown in pure soil procured from under a glacier in Nepal or something.
We used to live to 47 on average now its 76 so apparently some of this crap we are doing must be working lol.
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I do agree with you partially. I stated before that a lot of this stuff is sensationalized and made to seem worse than it really is; however I also believe that using a little more common sense to limit exposure where possibly can only be helpful in the long run.
People around the world suffer immensely from exposure to toxins that they never knew they were even dealing with. Think about the chemicals that were commonplace just 30 or 40 years ago that everyone would call you crazy for playing around with today:
- DDT
- CFCs
- Asbestos- insulation
- Lead- paint
- Mercury- thermostats, etc
- Arsenic- still in pressurized wood, but being phased out
This is just a short list off the top of my head, but just do a quick google search for banned or severely restricted chemicals and you will see what I'm talking about. All of those compounds were in use at one time and were subsequently banned because they were shown to have negative side effects that outweighed their benefits.
My point is that for all our sophistication, we are still resorting to trial and error(using ourselves as guinea pigs) as a justifiable means for advancement regardless of possible negative side effects.
For example, anyone remember agent orange? Used to defoliate large areas of Vietman during the war. It was later found that a highly toxic strain of dioxin was used in the chemical. The devastating long term effects of this compound became known as American soldiers returned from the war with a wide range of serious health problems that have persisted through to their children in many cases. The Vietnamese have suffered more; my brother spent a month in that country last year and came back with some pretty disturbing insight into how many horribly disfigured people, including children that he saw on the streets. This is a pretty decent article if you want to read a little more: Agent Orange's Long Legacy
Agent orange is pretty terrible for just about everything living, right? so then why is it still in use? I'd bet most of you have a bottle of it in your garage: Is Monsanto's RoundUp the new Agent Orange?
My point here is assuming that the chemicals we use are generally safe is a HUGE misconception.
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Implied in the pursuit of health is interest in the prior avoidance of death or severe illness/incapacitation.
On a prioritized list of the most likely causes of the above, something like a microwave oven wouldn't even appear unless theoretical/hypothetical causes were included. In any event, it would be nowhere near page 1 on such a list. A separate report would be more fitting.
The top portion of such a list is likely to contain some inconvenient items -- like automobile driving, for one. If you have to drive 5 miles to donate your microwave oven, you've almost certainly risked more than continuing to use it.
So the main problem with concern over obscure risks is that they can be a distraction from page 1 items that may have been ignored.
To illustrate how signal can tend to get lost in noise, I'll take a quick stab at annotating your list. Objectively, smoking would have more effect than all the other items combined.
- Dont cook with teflon coated pans - Nowhere near page 1
- Use glass or steel instead of plastic - Nowhere near page 1
- Buy clothes made of natural fibers instead of synthetic - Separate Report
- Dont smoke? - Page 1
- Wear a respirator when you are sanding or painting - Dose dependent, use common sense
- Dont huff gasoline - Dose dependent, use common sense
- wear gloves when you handle automotive or cleaning chemicals - Dose dependent, use common sense
- clean your stuff with vinegar and baking soda instead of bleach - Nowhere near page 1
- buy organic where possible - Nowhere near page 1
- use a R/O filter for your water - Nowhere near page 1
- dont use a microwave - Separate Report
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This was more or less just off the top of my head, but I essentially agree with you. My main concern about those items is daily use with no research testing long term cumulative effects, especially combined with who knows how many other compounds we interact with and never think about.
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Here's one, umm that new car smell!, we all love it, getting Into a brand new car and smelling the "new car smell". Off gases, we are smelling off gases and everything we have in our modern society does it, the plastic for our T.V. And computers off gas. Our tires! I had to quit working for Goodyear as a warehouse manager because I would go home and get bloody noses just about every night. It wasn't till years later I put two and two together and realized it was because of the concentration of 30,000 plus tires off gassing around me that caused my bloody noses.
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I've been looking around for ideas to remodel my new place and ran across another great article with references that has a lot of great info about all the materials around us that are off-gasing a lot of nasty chemicals:
Ask the EcoTeam: My New Carpet is Off-Gassing! | Ecology Center
and here is a link to the Toxicant and Disease database. The links they have drawn between materials and serious health problems is a pretty big eye opener:
Collaborative on Health and the Environment ::
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I started eating healthier and going to the gym and its crazy how much better i feel all the time
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I started eating healthier and going to the gym and its crazy how much better i feel all the time
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BAM and that is what everyone who is worried about being healthy should do first. It is amazing how healthy you can become working out 5 days a week and eating right can do for one's body and mind.
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Funny, with the quarantine I actually lost weight. Buying less crap (to try to save money) and my wife being big on fitness certain helps too. We do a strenuous 20 min workout 3x a week. Going to the grocery store isn't something I like to do nowadays, so i get what my family needs and I'm outta there. I used to bring snacks/soda with me, but not anymore. So yeah, the formula is easy:
1) Cut down on processed foods and sugar
2) No soda
3) No junk food
4) Exercise as much as you can
5) cut down on meats and dairy (this helps me, YMMV)
It's all in your determination. If not, you have another issue. Good luck to those who are trying to slim down.
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i eat fastfood maybe once every couple months, i only drink water, milk, 100percent organic fruit juice, and once in a while a horchata(mexican drink)
i eat nothing in a can, veggies fresh or frozen, i dont drink, smoke etc.
i dont take pills(on a very rare occasion) if theres a natural way i would rather do that. i try to eat and drink healthy, but i do have some junk every now and then. Mostly get my veggies from a farmers market locally grown , more for personal reasons than health wise.
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While I agree eating fast food is not the most healthiest diet....but to be fair the meme you posted of MacDonald's hamburgers only being 15% real beef is unfair and totally false, if you going to post information check to be sure it's true and stop being a sheep and following blindly other sheep!!!
Are McDonald's Hamburgers 100% Beef?
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Every time I want to start leading a healthy lifestyle, not smoking, not drinking, but every time in my life there comes a moment when it is simply impossible without this. So I already stopped deceiving myself
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