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I agree with a good deal of what you just said.

Also I would go so far as to say that many in the military do not want to be mandated to carry a weapon EVERYWHERE on base at all times.

That just isn't something the Military would ever do.
 
BrianSD_42 said:
What exactly did you do in the Military and were you ever forward deployed?

The ship I served on had over 95% of the crew Pistol, Shotgun and M-14 qualified. And that is the Navy. To say that the Marines or Army cant do this or that they aren't mentally capable is kind of insulting.
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Regardless of the amount of training, I wouldn't trust 95% of the crew of the ship I'm on with a firearm. We've had several people put new bullet holes in our piers and their own legs.
 
BrianSD_42 said:
@simple

I agree with a good deal of what you just said.

Also I would go so far as to say that many in the military do not want to be mandated to carry a weapon EVERYWHERE on base at all times.

That just isn't something the Military would ever do.
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in my opinion, if in the military, carrying a firearm should be mandatory. its silly that it not.
 
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nevada said:
in my opinion, if in the military, carrying a firearm should be mandatory. its silly that's it not.
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Trust me, no it shouldn't.

You get some pissed off 18 year old deck seaman who got lied to by his recruiter with a gun? No thanks.
 
Logan714 said:
Trust me, no it shouldn't.

You get some pissed off 18 year old deck seaman who got lied to by his recruiter with a gun? No thanks.
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if they are in the military and cant be trusted with a gun, they should NOT be in the military. send them back home.

how does everyone not see this as a problem?
 
I think what most people here are trying to position is that the military should be able to carry concealed on base if they want to.

That is very different than mandating a soldier or sailor carry a gun at all times.

I'm sorry but when you are standing in line at Dental there is no need to be mandated to have a piece strapped on.

Even during WW2, ALL soldiers didn't carry guns, loaded, at ALL times while on base.

It would become a bit of .... hey I've cleaning duty today, gun [x], ammo [x]. That just doesn't make sense.
 
BrianSD_42 said:
I think what most people here are trying to position is that the military should be able to carry concealed on base if they want to.

That is very different than mandating a soldier or sailor carry a gun at all times.

I'm sorry but when you are standing in line at Dental there is no need to be mandated to have a piece strapped on.

Even during WW2, ALL soldiers didn't carry guns, loaded, at ALL times while on base.

It would become a bit of .... hey I've cleaning duty today, gun [x], ammo [x]. That just doesn't make sense.
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On the other hand, if all Soldiers were allowed to carry on base, I'd be willing to bet the Terrorist coward, Nidal Hasan, might've had second thoughts if he knew other Soldiers could return fire.

It's just like designating anyplace a "Gun Free Zone". It just makes it a prime target for cowardly lunatics to kill unopposed.
 
BrianSD_42 said:
I think what most people here are trying to position is that the military should be able to carry concealed on base if they want to.

That is very different than mandating a soldier or sailor carry a gun at all times.

I'm sorry but when you are standing in line at Dental there is no need to be mandated to have a piece strapped on.

Even during WW2, ALL soldiers didn't carry guns, loaded, at ALL times while on base.

It would become a bit of .... hey I've cleaning duty today, gun [x], ammo [x]. That just doesn't make sense.
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why not? they are in the MILITARY. when not on the battlefield in an offensive position they are in a defensive position. its a lot harder to defend yourself when you're unarmed.

this entire concept of our military, our ARMED forces being unarmed at anytime is ridiculous. I cant even fathom how it ever became a THING.
 
this entire concept of our military, our ARMED forces being unarmed at anytime is ridiculous. I cant even fathom how it ever became a THING.
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Nevada,

I'm not trying to start a beef but I would like to know .... When you served, did you wear your gun all the time? Probably not.

Didn't you at least at some point feel that NOT having a gun on you while doing laundry on base was a reasonable thing?

If you didn't serve then fine, everyone's lift takes different paths but there are multiple people on this thread who keep pointing out that having everyone on base armed at all times (something beyond even threat level D) is not very reasonable.

I can see more service members on base being armed, more watches, perhaps even concealed carry for a portion of them but not all soldiers / sailors - all the time.

I'm sure there are service members who would find a policy of forcing every person to always carry a gun a great thing but they aren't the majority, not by far.

Perhaps at a FOB, Yes. But in Wisconsin at the commissary? No.
 
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BrianSD_42 said:
Nevada,

I'm not trying to start a beef but I would like to know .... When you served, did you wear your gun all the time?

Didn't you at least at some point feel that NOT having a gun on you while doing laundry on base was a reasonable thing?

If you didn't serve then fine, everyone's lift takes different paths but there are multiple people on this thread who keep pointing out that having everyone on base armed at all times (something beyond even threat level D) is not very reasonable.

I'm sure there are service members who would find a policy of forcing every person to always carry a gun a great thing but they aren't the majority, not by far.

Perhaps at a FOB, Yes. But in Wisconsin at the commissary? No.
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I agree to a point, i think things are changing. We are being attact on our own military bases, i think there needs to be qualified armed personnel, at least one every where on base, i don't care if it's the mess hall. Of couse this is coming from a old f#*k that served in Nam from 67-68. I trust no one. :mmph:
 
nevada said:
why not? they are in the MILITARY. when not on the battlefield in an offensive position they are in a defensive position. its a lot harder to defend yourself when you're unarmed.

this entire concept of our military, our ARMED forces being unarmed at anytime is ridiculous. I cant even fathom how it ever became a THING.
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As a diesel mechanic on a carrier, I'm never actually in a battlefield. There is literally no quantifiable reason where I would need a gun in the performance of my job or standing my watch.

What I would like to see happening, especially since I'm seeking recruiting orders and I know the area where my station will be isn't that great, is that we would be allowed to carry concealed while executing our duties. I don't think that's unreasonable especially considering if I wasn't in uniform or in the actual recruiting office, I can walk around the mall carrrying concealed without any problems.

RedSled said:
I agree to a point, i think things are changing. We are being attact on our own military bases, i think there needs to be qualified armed personnel, at least one every where on base, i don't care if it's the mess hall. Of couse this is coming from a old f#*k that served in Nam from 67-68. I trust no one. :mmph:
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There are metric sh*t tons of qualified armed people on base. Most of them though are guarding the entries and exits of the base. Which is why I think the Ft. Hood shooting was possible, he had access and was inside the perimeter. When was the last time someone made a successful incursion onto a US military base (on US soil) from the outside?
 
Logan714 said:
There are metric sh*t tons of qualified armed people on base. Most of them though are guarding the entries and exits of the base. Which is why I think the Ft. Hood shooting was possible, he had access and was inside the perimeter. When was the last time someone made a successful incursion onto a US military base (on US soil) from the outside?
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It happens every day. All you need is a drivers license and you can drive right onto the base. There is no security. No vehicle search, no nothing. Bases are not secure. The false sense of security because there is a gate and a fence is only for show.
 
ben550 said:
It happens every day. All you need is a drivers license and you can drive right onto the base. There is no security. No vehicle search, no nothing. Bases are not secure. The false sense of security because there is a gate and a fence is only for show.
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I don't know what base you're driving on but that doesn't work where I'm at...
 
ben550 said:
It happens every day. All you need is a drivers license and you can drive right onto the base. There is no security. No vehicle search, no nothing. Bases are not secure. The false sense of security because there is a gate and a fence is only for show.
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What base do you live by?

What is the name of this ungated base?

I live in San Diego. Home to over 50,000 active duty across more than 5 bases. Our bases are gated and have armed guards.
 
BrianSD_42 said:
Nevada,

I'm not trying to start a beef but I would like to know .... When you served, did you wear your gun all the time? Probably not.

Didn't you at least at some point feel that NOT having a gun on you while doing laundry on base was a reasonable thing?

If you didn't serve then fine, everyone's lift takes different paths but there are multiple people on this thread who keep pointing out that having everyone on base armed at all times (something beyond even threat level D) is not very reasonable.

I can see more service members on base being armed, more watches, perhaps even concealed carry for a portion of them but not all soldiers / sailors - all the time.

I'm sure there are service members who would find a policy of forcing every person to always carry a gun a great thing but they aren't the majority, not by far.

Perhaps at a FOB, Yes. But in Wisconsin at the commissary? No.
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I never served.

our military is meant to protect this country, yes?

its my OPINION than every single person in our military should have a firearm. I don't care if its a desk clerk. they need to have, and know how to use their firearm. it should be part of their uniform. just like any other job, I show up prepared to do my job, in its entirety. I don't understand why the military and guns is any different.

Logan714 said:
As a diesel mechanic on a carrier, I'm never actually in a battlefield. There is literally no quantifiable reason where I would need a gun in the performance of my job or standing my watch.

What I would like to see happening, especially since I'm seeking recruiting orders and I know the area where my station will be isn't that great, is that we would be allowed to carry concealed while executing our duties. I don't think that's unreasonable especially considering if I wasn't in uniform or in the actual recruiting office, I can walk around the mall carrying concealed without any problems.
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perhaps not, I still think you should be required to have one while on duty.



agreed. which is another reason I think having our MILITARY unarmed is ridiculous.


ben550 said:
It happens every day. All you need is a drivers license and you can drive right onto the base. There is no security. No vehicle search, no nothing. Bases are not secure. The false sense of security because there is a gate and a fence is only for show.
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Logan714 said:
I don't know what base you're driving on but that doesn't work where I'm at...
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while I haven't actually gone on base, best I could tell, its that easy. there is(was?) a tiny little guard shack, maybe a couple drop down gates, and perhaps one(armed?) guard. the gates, these aren't actually gates, but more like the things outside of parking garages. however, its been many years since Ive driven out and seen this, so its very possible, and likely security is higher now. considering events the last few years.
 
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Each base has the ability to change the force protection level on an daily/hourly level.

It could be lax at 8am and locked down by 11am. It just depends on the force protection level.
 
[MENTION=84834]Logan714[/MENTION]

When was the last time someone made a successful incursion onto a US military base (on US soil) from the outside?
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Unfortunately that is what happened last week. The terrorist shot up the recruiters office, then drove over to a reservist base, rammed through the gate and then started shooting.

What that tells me is the gate was not the type designed to stop a vehicle.

The gates here in San Diego that are designed to block vehicles cannot be rammed through with any civilian car or truck. I'm wondering if this TN reservist base was only protected with a simple gate not designed to stop a vehicle.
 
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