I came across this awhile ago, and figured I enjoy sushi why not learn about one of the masters of this simple yet sophisticated thing. It blew my mind about his mindset of what others would just deem a J-O-B.

While I agree with most here and the conflict/responsibility of parents rearing children. I do think the difficulty for some that comes into play is the PC police. A parent COULD discipline their child properly, but someone on the outside of the family could deem that as abusive or NOT politically correct.(NOT approving of abuse, so dont read in to that. Just promoting youths of thick skin so they can deal with the real world.)

I would finally refute and although some may not want to admit it, but this mindset is due to the education system as well in this country and the individuals who are "moulding minds" and spending time with kids more than their own parents at time.
-micro managing
-government determining what is best for you
-everyone should get a participation award
-the successful individual is truly not thanked for what they have produced, while the individual who does minimal work is praised.

You can argue all you want, but a majority of the issue with children starts with school(AND PARENTS), but when the school rulings begin to trump parents thats where the issues occur. The unionization of the teachers and such mindsets of the liberal education they have grown up in and were educated at have pushed this liberal mindset and lifestyle, that it is difficult for a young adult/child to see what is wrong, when a very praised individual(teacher/principal) tells them what is right and wrong, and what the "norm" and "majority" are doing. Making sure everyone gets "their fair share" whatever that means. It reminds me of the phrase:

"Just because it is popular doesn't mean it is right. And just because it is right doesn't mean its popular."

another phrase I always heard growing up in my family was
"Life is not fair, but its not fair for anyone, thus fair"-This is a tough one to swallow and moreso to chew on when growing up and certainly moreso growing up under the parents who are professionals in the mental health and medical field, which I later pursued myself. What I can take away from this now in laymens terms and in being in the real world and experiencing this first hand is instead of ***** footing around some people do need a reality check.

So while I agree there is input from parents that is necessary I would also say it is difficult to raise the child accordingly to what most would deem normal standards, when the "standardization"of schooling has severely declined and pretty much shut the parent out of assisting/informing with the schooling of their own child.

My random sporadic 2 cents on the matter while at work and in brief.

yes, parents also take some of the blame. but lets not forget, the teachers, and those making these rules are likely parents themselves.
its not like someone that has never had kids is doing this, these ARE parents coming up with the BS.

while not exactly what this thread is about, we recently got introduced to the "common core math" that im sure most of you have at least heard about.

coming from THE teacher, this is a horrible thing. fully intended to brain wash the kids into only following orders, and doing whats in front of them. they are being trained to NOT ask "why", or look beyond what is directly what they are given or asked.
as parents, we are not supposed to understand it. and to prevent this understanding, they change how its done every 5 years.

in the same vein is the entire nations new "anti-bullying" policy. this is in no way actually designed to stop bullying. its purpose is to train the kids to be watchdogs, and to "tattle" at the first sign of someone doing something wrong. they want them to be turning in their neighbors for not paying their taxes, or any other thing that is deemed unacceptable by the gov.
unfortunately, this policy is actually leading to more, and worse bullying, and creating an entire generation(s) of the population that is unwilling, and incapable of defending themselves. and that are fully reliant on their government to survive.

While I do agree with most of your response I would actually disagree that a majority of teachers now at least around my area are in fact young adults not married or without children at all. And this is coming from several local schools, friends that are teachers etc etc as the older generation begins to exit that profession. They have no concept of child rearing and refer to school as just WORK. And can't wait for summer to get rid of the kids. And while I by no means mean to undermine the profession of teaching. I do think at times a majority of the new individuals going into this field truly aren't like those of past time when I went to school. Caring parents, that even though their job was teaching they also treated every child as their own and disciplined them as well when necessary.

In regards to common core.............that in itself is a whole other massacre of the education system and common sense.

@BrianSD_42

That is a great article. Thanks for the link. I forwarded the link to several friends...

Universities "have taken a further step toward intellectual homogeneity and the creation of an environment in which students rarely encounter diverse viewpoints..."

Universities and the academic world have become so "tolerant" and "diversity oriented" that they have now become far less diverse due to the fact that alternative or conflicting viewpoints with the leftist/academic view are not tolerated...

Big problem.

yes, absolutely I agree. in which case, we refer higher up the chain, to the governing bodies responsible for these laws/rules.

I feel as though the common core, and anti-bullying situation is all part of the same problem. its all by design, and that is part of it...

I'll go ahead and disagree slightly.

There are TWO parts to common core.

One is the curriculum which from everything I've read is approved by both conservatives and not.

The new curriculum actually forces kids to think more and is greatly skewed towards critical thinking.

The second part is the testing system. These new tests have been criticized from all over the political spectrum, basically pissing everyone off.

I am greatly in favor of the new common core curriculum. Americas schools need more standardisation, not less.

I think everyone should have a right to absolute free speech on campus.

From abortion, to slavery, Sharia law, to Zionism, to blasphemy, to affirmative action, to being for or against fascism. All are fair game.

The pro, cons or why yes vs no should always be protected speech on campus.

what I said above was told to me by the teacher. she used the word indoctrinated a few times in her explanation..
this is a problem with me, and should be for everyone.

do you have any actual experience with it? its NOT standardized. its ridiculous, and is changed every 5 years. no, its not making them THINK more, its doing the exact opposite. its making them NON thinking robots.

You're wrong about common core math. It's brilliant. The old way just taught basic steps and algorithms without teaching the purpose of each step in the algorithm.

It would be like teaching someone how to diagnose and "repair" a vehicle by following step-by-step instructions without any understanding of what each step is for and what each separate component does. Or teaching martial arts by rote memorization of dance moves without explaining the concepts of force, leverage, and momentum (aka, your typical McDojo). Or teaching someone to cook by only following recipes without teaching the chemistry of cooking.

Why do you "borrow" when subtracting? Because the teacher told you to? Or do you understand the concept? All those ridiculous graphics being passed around on social media are idiotic. The multi-step processes they are comparing to a finished "old way" process is like comparing a video of football training camp drills (ladders, blocking cages, tire swings targets) with a touchdown pass. The better you learn the steps, the better you can do the complete process. Yes, they DO still teach the old algorithms, but they teach the steps first.

When the "new" common core math came out we asked the school how it would affect our kids... they said it wouldn't affect them at all because it's the way they've been teaching for years. My kid's school is consistently ranked in the top 5% of all public schools in the state. It's probably higher, but they only go to the top 5%.

Don't rely on what your kids teacher said. Read some articles about it. You don't seem to have the facts right.

Common core has not been changed every five years.

It is just now being rolled out for the first time ever.

All schools which receive federal funding are required to comply in certain ways.

ive read enough about it.

and ive SEEN it first hand.
have you?

I haven't seen common core first hand but it is a brand new program.

"The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers."

- Attributed to Socrates by Plato


No disrespect but most of you guys are sounding like a bunch of old farts, and I suspect that I am older than most of you. :-)

Haha. I thought the exact same thing Many hundreds of generations of olds complaining about those damn kids and their lack of respect and proper behavior, absent work ethic, etc. How cliché!

For what it's worth, the math part at least is far from "new". It's the way I've been doing math in my head for decades, and my kids' school has been teaching that way for quite some time.

The only "new" thing about it is that it's now being taught nationwide.

All the ridiculous and almost never-ending standardized testing, however... that's new.