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Anyone else read the book: One Up On Wall Street: How To Use What You Already Know To Make Money In The Market: Lynch, Peter, Rothchild, John: 8601404230394: Amazon.com: Books
I have never learned or bothered to learn anything about stocks and the book has been recommended by a few people. I hope I learn more, so far I am 100 pages in and all I have learned is he was a caddy and real estate is a wiser investment. I have been saving for awhile collecting in a high interest savings account, but I am ready to either invest or jump in to the real estate rental market (especially with such low interest rates). I need a bigger return on my savings than what I am getting and ready to take a risk to help get me to retirement.

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I haven't read that book. I did read The Big Short and I would recommend that book to anyone.

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There is a lot to unpack in your comment but high interest savings accounts do not make a lot of sense to me. If it is long term why not just put it in an IRA? Have you maxed your 401K at $19K per year?

What about CDs? The interest is definitely better than a high yield savings account. Especially if you are using a credit union.

What about just putting the money in a very low fee index funds? This is what I do. Split it between index fund types for NASDAQ, S&P 500 and others.

I assume you are talking about money you will access more than 5 years from now.

Have you paid off your house yet? Personally I completely question the logic of investing in a rental property right now. For one thing ... Rents are going down! For a second thing this is a seller's housing market not a buyer's market. This is the opposite of the right time to pour money into rental properties.

I mentioned this earlier in the thread but I really like the basic advice on Dave Ramsey's show. Don't follow it religiously but wow there is a lot of good common sense advice.

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I do a high interest savings account...in addition to other items. sorry guess I forgot to add that part. I contribute 18% to my 401k(12% is to ROTH IRA for post tax dollars), another 10% to the savings. The savings account is to have cash ready on hand for emergencies. Now that I have built up more than a years worth I want to start contributing to another account that's going to get me more than 1.8%. The S&P 500 or Rentals are what I keep flipping back and forth on. Long term S&P has historically averaged 10% while homes average 4%. So say you take $50,000 and drop in S&P to earn 10%. Or take that as down payment on $300,000 rental and earn 4%. Now you are earning on $300k instead of $50k. of course the added issues of owning rentals is much more than stocks. Rentals can create (very small) cash flow, stocks can only with dividends. Long term I really thing real estate is the way to go but it has many challenges and requires lots of knowledge. Stocks require lots of patience and understandings for every gain there is a loss.

For S&P am I calculating this correctly. At current its $3,097. If you take $50,000 and invest that means you have roughly 16.1446 shares right? Then if it goes up say $100 to $3,197 I take that 16 shares x the $100 and that is my profit? Or of course if it goes the other way my loss.

I have not paid off my current house no, but my mortgage is next to nothing. Less than $700. Paying it off wont earn me any money other than saving my mortgage each month. The life of the loan I will pay less than $60,000 in interest over 30 years. Yes saving $700/month would be great but if even if I doubled up on house and paid it off in 15 years I didn't earn any money during that time. Instead of doubling up on mortgage the extra can be invested earning me more than the 3% I would be saving.

I looked up the top 15 tips for Dave Ramsey and have been living by most of these for quite some time.
15 Money Tips Dave Ramsey Wish Everyone Knew Sooner
From a lot of advice (taken with a grain of salt) I have been reading, the basic order is:
Get a house
Get a savings nest egg
Contribute to 401k
If you have extra, then invest
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Thank you for the great info, guys!
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Well, I can't save money for the future, I spend every penny. I should probably earn more..So, I'm looking for ways to make good money online. If you know anything about this, please share your ideas with me. At first, I wanted to bet on sports, but then I realized that this is a random profit that can turn into losses if I don't win anything. I recently found an article on Facebook about retail arbitrage yourmoneygeek.com and I think this is a good way to earn extra money. But I haven't tried myself in sales yet if you have a couple of recommendations I will appreciate it.

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I finally took the jump in to stocks/investments. I took around $10k of 'extra' funds I have. This is after all the bills are paid, 401k is being maxed, emergency fund. I do not have my house paid off but I am borrowing at a very low rate and my mortgage is very very low. I had this money sitting in a high interest savings not doing much, I am hoping to get a better return in stocks and long term growth.

The stocks I chose are growth and a few ETF's/Indexes. I picked up a few EV growth like Tesla, SHLL, WKHS and the ETF's I have picked up were ARKK and ARKF both have done very well YTD, out performed the S&P. They have a higher fee than the Fidelity total market Index funds (got a few shares here too) but the performance is much better so I think its worth it. It is addicting, I watch the market all day checking trends and what is working or not working so I can re-allocate at the end of August. First day I was up $355 and super stoked, few days later I am only up $56 total in the portfolio. Which really isn't that bad for only 10 days.

My plan going forward is to wait until one month of investing then move things around, hopefully without a huge loss. Then I will take approx $200-400/month and invest in to the ones that are working....how does everyone else choose where to continue adding to their portfolio when you have 10+ investments. Do you continue with higher risk ETFs/Index's or do you do dividend stocks for passive income? I picked up a few shares of AT&T for their 7% dividend. Not sure if I should continue to pick these up and amass a stock pile for the dividends or continue with the riskier ETFs.
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My plan going forward is to wait until one month of investing then move things around, hopefully without a huge loss. Then I will take approx $200-400/month and invest in to the ones that are working....how does everyone else choose where to continue adding to their portfolio when you have 10+ investments.
There is a difference between trading and investing.

A really smart investor I know once told me. "Money is like soap... the more you handle it, the faster it goes away."

Aside from index funds and ETFs, my goal is to buy companies I understand and believe in. I buy for keeps, and let time do it's magic.
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I am investing, what I meant by trade is dropping the ETFs/ indexes that are not working and combine with the ones that are. I think I am going to drop the Fidelity total market and Fidelity 500 in lieu of ARK. I also have a few in actual companies. Most are not doing well but I have faith long term they will rebound. I am taking a risk on some of the corona vaccine companies like Pfizer and Moderna. So far I am very down but not in panic mode just yet. fingers crossed they bounce back in a fury
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I finally took the jump in to stocks/investments. I took around $10k of 'extra' funds I have. This is after all the bills are paid, 401k is being maxed, emergency fund. I do not have my house paid off but I am borrowing at a very low rate and my mortgage is very very low. I had this money sitting in a high interest savings not doing much, I am hoping to get a better return in stocks and long term growth.

The stocks I chose are growth and a few ETF's/Indexes. I picked up a few EV growth like Tesla, SHLL, WKHS and the ETF's I have picked up were ARKK and ARKF both have done very well YTD, out performed the S&P. They have a higher fee than the Fidelity total market Index funds (got a few shares here too) but the performance is much better so I think its worth it. It is addicting, I watch the market all day checking trends and what is working or not working so I can re-allocate at the end of August. First day I was up $355 and super stoked, few days later I am only up $56 total in the portfolio. Which really isn't that bad for only 10 days.

My plan going forward is to wait until one month of investing then move things around, hopefully without a huge loss. Then I will take approx $200-400/month and invest in to the ones that are working....how does everyone else choose where to continue adding to their portfolio when you have 10+ investments. Do you continue with higher risk ETFs/Index's or do you do dividend stocks for passive income? I picked up a few shares of AT&T for their 7% dividend. Not sure if I should continue to pick these up and amass a stock pile for the dividends or continue with the riskier ETFs.
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I am investing, what I meant by trade is dropping the ETFs/ indexes that are not working and combine with the ones that are. I think I am going to drop the Fidelity total market and Fidelity 500 in lieu of ARK. I also have a few in actual companies. Most are not doing well but I have faith long term they will rebound. I am taking a risk on some of the corona vaccine companies like Pfizer and Moderna. So far I am very down but not in panic mode just yet. fingers crossed they bounce back in a fury
My approach is to KISS (keep it simple stupid). There's a reason why Bogle and Buffet recommend low cost index funds for most investors. The more you complicate things the more you rack your brains and outsmart yourself. Everyone wants to beat the market but how many can be successful for the long term?

If you're starting out a 3 fund portfolio is not a bad idea and essentially what I use in my 401k. 75% US total market, 15% Int'l, and 10% US bonds. Keep investing and every few years rebalance as needed depending on risk tolerance. It's a dead simple strategy and requires little to no time at all. I don't have to do much research and pretend like I'm the next great stock picker. I'm a little more high risk in my Roth IRA, mostly large cap growth indexes but only use 2 different fidelity index funds. I have an HSA as well and it's all in S&P 500.

I think the important thing is really just the consistency part. Invest automatically, dollar cost average, leave it alone and never touch it until you retire. Seeking performance gains is great but I like the ease, consistency, and stability of a total market or S&P500 index fund over a 30 year period.
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Well, I can't save money for the future, I spend every penny. I should probably earn more..So, I'm looking for ways to make good money online. If you know anything about this, please share your ideas with me. At first, I wanted to bet on sports, but then I realized that this is a random profit that can turn into losses if I don't win anything. I recently found an article on Facebook about retail arbitrage yourmoneygeek.com and I think this is a good way to earn extra money. But I haven't tried myself in sales yet if you have a couple of recommendations I will appreciate it.
Another approach is to look at your habits as a way to "increase earnings".

Just as an example, say you are a pack a day smoker who makes $30,000 a year... those smokes cost you what, $7 a pack times 365 = $2,555/yr. If you quit smoking, the savings would be equivalent to an 8.5% pay raise.

But there are other things. The wife and I spend $ on craft beers and wine - we could cut this if we wanted to and save the money. Being on these forums, do we really, honestly need to spend all that money on mods? Most of us simply want to and like to - again, easy savings. Eat at restaurants often? Maybe try making meals at home to cut cost there. If you've already cut everything out, then yeah, your only option is to find a way / develop skills to make more money. Even better if you can do both - cut spending AND earn more.
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I am investing, what I meant by trade is dropping the ETFs/ indexes that are not working and combine with the ones that are. I think I am going to drop the Fidelity total market and Fidelity 500 in lieu of ARK. I also have a few in actual companies. Most are not doing well but I have faith long term they will rebound. I am taking a risk on some of the corona vaccine companies like Pfizer and Moderna. So far I am very down but not in panic mode just yet. fingers crossed they bounce back in a fury
IMO month or two is not a long enough runway to really see if a fund or stock is going to be successful. If you are doing all this "rebalancing" in a taxable account, you will pay tax on gains when you sell. The biggest downside is your money will start to lose momentum, and the clock for dividends will reset… which is why many say never to sell. You want that money to grow tax deferred for a long as possible.

S&P500 is the index to beat… and most people don’t. I started investing with mutual funds and if you graph that against SPY, it’s a pretty sad sight. The mistake I made when I started investing was not realizing I had time on my side. I was way too conservative for my age.

If you have time on your side, I would pick 3-4 different funds and religiously invest in them, regardless of if the market is up or down.

This isn’t investment advice, but if I had to start right now, and pick 4 to buy and hold for keeps, it would be: SPY, DIA, BRKB, and QQQ

Slow and steady wins the race. Watching grass grow isn’t always exciting, but if you keep watering it and don’t mow your lawn for 20 years, you are going to have a shit load of grass.

You are also starting to invest during one of the most bizarre and uncertain times. Expect volatility. Don't panic and don't trade on emotions. But that's all easier said than done when 50% of your portfolio value disappears, but it’s not gone until it's realized.

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I am investing, what I meant by trade is dropping the ETFs/ indexes that are not working and combine with the ones that are. I think I am going to drop the Fidelity total market and Fidelity 500 in lieu of ARK. I also have a few in actual companies. Most are not doing well but I have faith long term they will rebound. I am taking a risk on some of the corona vaccine companies like Pfizer and Moderna. So far I am very down but not in panic mode just yet. fingers crossed they bounce back in a fury
I think this brings up a very important point. Had you invested in a total market or an S&P 500 you wouldn't be down. No one should be down YTD if you invested in a low cost index fund. Even when the S&P500 dropped 35% - 40% or whatever it was exactly in late Feb through March there has been a sharp V-shaped recovery since April. YTD S&P 500 is still up like 5% and even if you only started investing a few weeks ago you should be up. So anyone who thought they could outsmart the market or went to cash were the only ones who lost and are losing this year. However the savvy investor who was dollar cost averaging was putting even more money into the S&P 500 when it was valued at 2200 is reaping the rewards now. Point being is those who did nothing, didn't change their gameplan, and just rode it out are the ones ahead. Those who thought they could outsmart the market are down.
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all great advice from above. I do have time on my side which is where the ETFs are coming in play. A majority of my investing will be in these. I spent a lot of energy looking up historical data before investing in the ones I have chosen. from here on I will keep contributing to these and play the long game

the other ones, are my attempt at profiting quicker. I have up'd my portfolio now to $14k which is where I am comfortable at for my current situation. I invested in companies I use/like and have a long track record of doing good and a couple of long shots. One long shot has really sunk but again I feel good in the long term, and looking 3-4 years out.
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A lot of folks like to say "I'm going to invest in ETFs." Well, ETFs are pretty broad. There's a zillion of them. But to echo some of the more recent posts, the only ones you should pay attention to are the ones that replicate the indexes. You only need three categories to cover everything: Total Stock Market (US), Total International Stock and Total Bond. Pick the right asset allocation between these three categories (the 75/15/10 ratio noted earlier is a good place to start) and dollar cost average into them as often as you can. Do it via your 401k, do it via your Roth IRA and do it in your cash/taxable account with whatever you have left over after monthly expenses. It's brain dead simple and requires zero thinking, plus there is zero chance you'll be stressing out over trying to time a buy/sell at the right time. Hint: You can't time the market.
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Man oh man. The market has been brutal past few days. I'm saving up for a brand new 4Runner. But now, with the stock market like that, I feel like it would be better to throw the money into the market. I would have some decent return to purchase the car in a few years. What do you guys think? The total stock market fund has my attention right now FSKAX vs. VTSAX: Are They the Same? Which Fund Is Better? - UseFidelity
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