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I watched what I ate. I went to the gym, ran 25-30 miles a week. My annual check up came back and I got high "bad" cholesterol .
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What an odd thread. Probably shouldn't drive a car, ever, as it's the highest risk thing we all do that could lead to massive injury, paralysis, or death and could happen in the blink of an eye.

My grandmother is in her upper 90s. Other than losing eyesight she is in good health and still lives on her own. In her own words, she said the worst part about getting as old as she is - is watching everyone you've ever known, die around you.


Since this seems to be started by someone possibly in the medical field, what about the long term uses of opioid uses? Seems the medical industry has causes the crisis we have in the US yet prescriptions of them are still insanely high...

I'll take alcohol over prescribed opioids any day...
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What an odd thread. Probably shouldn't drive a car, ever, as it's the highest risk thing we all do that could lead to massive injury, paralysis, or death and could happen in the blink of an eye.

My grandmother is in her upper 90s. Other than losing eyesight she is in good health and still lives on her own. In her own words, she said the worst part about getting as old as she is - is watching everyone you've ever known, die around you.


Since this seems to be started by someone possibly in the medical field, what about the long term uses of opioid uses? Seems the medical industry has causes the crisis we have in the US yet prescriptions of them are still insanely high...

I'll take alcohol over prescribed opioids any day...
Weird logic you used. Driving a car is a necessity for many of us (jobs, travel, etc.). Using alcohol is recreational.

Actually, the opioid crisis came about because the GOVERNMENT/Medicare wanted everyone to be super happy during and after the hospital stay...because if patients are not super happy, then hospitals/doctors get penalized financially.

Wanna guess what makes patients UN-happy after an operation??

An odd case you are...taking this thread tangentially by accusing medical field of something unrelated.

Feel free to drink dude. Knock yourself out. It’s your life. Like i said earlier, this is FYI. Just make sure that you have good medical insurance...just in case ya know.
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Weird logic you used. Driving a car is a necessity for many of us (jobs, travel, etc.). Using alcohol is recreational.

Actually, the opioid crisis came about because the GOVERNMENT/Medicare wanted everyone to be super happy during and after the hospital stay...because if patients are not super happy, then hospitals/doctors get penalized financially.

Wanna guess what makes patients UN-happy after an operation??

An odd case you are...taking this thread personally and then tangentially accusing medical field of something unrelated.

Feel free to drink dude. Knock yourself out. It’s your life. Like i said earlier, this is FYI. Just make sure that you have good medical insurance...just in case ya know.

It's not weird logic at all. You're grandstanding life habit choices and telling those who drink, shouldn't.

You're talking about life habits and the inherent risks they pose to future quality of life. I'm taking your FYI argument and inflating it to the most risky behavior we all partake in - driving.

You can easily move to "the city", get a job in the city, and not need to drive.


I find it funny that you proclaim the government is what caused the opioid crisis, and yet.... it is that same government which must limit the amount of opioids that a provider can prescribe to a patient in a given time frame. Providers then complain to the patients that they cannot prescribe more.

Providers have essentially zero accountability for results-based care in the United States, with the exception of malpractice lawsuits. This is why you can get an MRI done at 2 different places that use the same machine, have similarly trained staff, yet one will bill insurance $2500 and the other will bill insurance $500.

I have pretty good insurance.... this year we hit our OOP max, so free reign for the next 3 1/2 months.....
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It's not weird logic at all. You're grandstanding life habit choices and telling those who drink, shouldn't.

You're talking about life habits and the inherent risks they pose to future quality of life. I'm taking your FYI argument and inflating it to the most risky behavior we all partake in - driving.

You can easily move to "the city", get a job in the city, and not need to drive.


I find it funny that you proclaim the government is what caused the opioid crisis, and yet.... it is that same government which must limit the amount of opioids that a provider can prescribe to a patient in a given time frame. Providers then complain to the patients that they cannot prescribe more.

Providers have essentially zero accountability for results-based care in the United States, with the exception of malpractice lawsuits. This is why you can get an MRI done at 2 different places that use the same machine, have similarly trained staff, yet one will bill insurance $2500 and the other will bill insurance $500.

I have pretty good insurance.... this year we hit our OOP max, so free reign for the next 3 1/2 months.....
Grandstanding??? Huh? You think that i care about what you do with your life? Did i say that i look down on folks who do? I don’t care dude.

Hey, if anything, I WANT people to drink more...you know why? Because it pays the bills for the medical community!!!

Again, knock yourself out!! I am not your mother.

Your “analogy” is amusing. Let’s leave it at that. If you think that your analogy is great, then Maybe alcohol has affected you more than you think!

You’re right...Medicare/govt now has change to the other extreme...and guess who gets stuck in the middle? Providers. Now, patients are mad that they cannot be adequately treated...but yet, Medicare still wants happy faces to pay doctors.

ZERO accountability for doctors?? You have no idea what you’re talking about dude. Just walk away man. Geez. As for insurance charges etc....you again have no idea what you’re talking about.

Glad that you good insurance. Make sure you keep it.
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but yet, Medicare still wants happy faces to pay doctors.

ZERO accountability for doctors?? You have no idea what you’re talking about dude. Just walk away man. Geez. As for insurance charges etc....you again have no idea what you’re talking about.
I'm just going to correct you here because you, clearly, have no idea what you are talking about.


Yes, zero accountability for doctors. 2 individuals with the same ailment see 2 different providers .... they get very different diagnosis, different testing, and reading of the results that vary. The course of treatment in one case might be wrong, the other right. The patient returns to their doctor who, again, runs tests, mis-diagnoses, and there's no repurcussions for figuring out what's going on.

The patient who was treated properly the first time gets billed (after insurance) and they're done. The patient who was treated incorrectly will now have additional bills (both to insurance and their responsibility).

Similarly, a doctor might make a small mistake during a surgery - which then either requires a longer surgery (lengthening anesthesia, if nothing else) or possibly requiring a 2nd surgery. Do you think the hospital, doctor, and meds required to fix the 'mistake' are going to be paid for by the doctor who made the mistake? Or will the insurance company be billed for the additional services?

There is zero accountability in the United States for a doctor to get it right. Insurance and CMS are starting to try results based accountability, but that is just another layer in what is an already untransparent system.


I can almost guarantee you that I know more about medical billing and the inner workings of health insurance. Most individuals who work in medical billing (either specialized offices or the billing department for a medical group/hospital/etc) barely know what they're doing (and many times they hire off the street and don't know).

You keep mentioning Medicare, yet.... with only a few exceptions (for instance hospitals cannot opt-out), doctors are not required to accept Medicare. Some providers, like an MT, cannot even bill Medicare as their services aren't covered.

Further, if a provider is basing their treatment of care on what Medicare wants, then I would run from that provider. Medicare has exceptionally low allowed amounts in comparison to the private sector (who essentially pick up the tab).


As for the original question - you haven't mentioned the ill effects of the opioids which providers continue to cram down patients throats....
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I'm just going to correct you here because you, clearly, have no idea what you are talking about.


Yes, zero accountability for doctors. 2 individuals with the same ailment see 2 different providers .... they get very different diagnosis, different testing, and reading of the results that vary. The course of treatment in one case might be wrong, the other right. The patient returns to their doctor who, again, runs tests, mis-diagnoses, and there's no repurcussions for figuring out what's going on.

The patient who was treated properly the first time gets billed (after insurance) and they're done. The patient who was treated incorrectly will now have additional bills (both to insurance and their responsibility).

Similarly, a doctor might make a small mistake during a surgery - which then either requires a longer surgery (lengthening anesthesia, if nothing else) or possibly requiring a 2nd surgery. Do you think the hospital, doctor, and meds required to fix the 'mistake' are going to be paid for by the doctor who made the mistake? Or will the insurance company be billed for the additional services?

There is zero accountability in the United States for a doctor to get it right. Insurance and CMS are starting to try results based accountability, but that is just another layer in what is an already untransparent system.


I can almost guarantee you that I know more about medical billing and the inner workings of health insurance. Most individuals who work in medical billing (either specialized offices or the billing department for a medical group/hospital/etc) barely know what they're doing (and many times they hire off the street and don't know).

You keep mentioning Medicare, yet.... with only a few exceptions (for instance hospitals cannot opt-out), doctors are not required to accept Medicare. Some providers, like an MT, cannot even bill Medicare as their services aren't covered.

Further, if a provider is basing their treatment of care on what Medicare wants, then I would run from that provider. Medicare has exceptionally low allowed amounts in comparison to the private sector (who essentially pick up the tab).


As for the original question - you haven't mentioned the ill effects of the opioids which providers continue to cram down patients throats....
I will address the last part of your post in THIS thread...why? Because this thread is about alcohol effects, not opioids. I thought that was obvious.

As for the rest of what you wrote, we can take this to PM. I will be more than happy to converse with you (and correct you) of your misunderstandings. And yes, i have been in the medical field for over 20 years. So, yeah, my understanding of the medical field is decent.
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We grew up with alcohol as part of our lives, family events, dinners outings ball games , college, parties etc. I ve had plenty but when my wife got pregnant to support her I stopped drinking too and 2 children and 5 years later we never went back again because of the kind of information in this thread. So I am thankful to @Thai for providing this great information backed up by facts. bottom line is alcohol is bad but every person should get the knowledge and make informed decisions for themselves and their family.
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It's not weird logic at all. You're grandstanding life habit choices and telling those who drink, shouldn't.

You're talking about life habits and the inherent risks they pose to future quality of life. I'm taking your FYI argument and inflating it to the most risky behavior we all partake in - driving.

You can easily move to "the city", get a job in the city, and not need to drive.


I find it funny that you proclaim the government is what caused the opioid crisis, and yet.... it is that same government which must limit the amount of opioids that a provider can prescribe to a patient in a given time frame. Providers then complain to the patients that they cannot prescribe more.

Providers have essentially zero accountability for results-based care in the United States, with the exception of malpractice lawsuits. This is why you can get an MRI done at 2 different places that use the same machine, have similarly trained staff, yet one will bill insurance $2500 and the other will bill insurance $500.

I have pretty good insurance.... this year we hit our OOP max, so free reign for the next 3 1/2 months.....
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We grew up with alcohol as part of our lives, family events, dinners outings ball games , college, parties etc. I ve had plenty but when my wife got pregnant to support her I stopped drinking too and 2 children and 5 years later we never went back again because of the kind of information in this thread. So I am thankful to @Thai for providing this great information backed up by facts. bottom line is alcohol is bad but every person should get the knowledge and make informed decisions for themselves and their family.
Thanks! Let me say it again...this thread is NOT about shamming you because you drink. It is NOT about me telling people not to drink. It is your own life. I don’t give a rat’s ass about what you guys do...i am not your mother, employer, or family member.

This is FYI. If you don’t agree with it, GREAT! Move on to read another thread. This is for those who want to understand the reasoning behind avoiding certain things in life that may harm you.

Personally, it is because of these articles/topics that i am now drinking BLACK COFFEE every darn day even though it taste like urine (not that i know what that taste like!)!
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I hardly ever deviate from the 3rd gen section, but this thread caught my eye. Very interesting studies, and I am not surprised at all by these findings. Thank for you for sharing.

Thai, like you, I am an avid coffee drinker.
However, one thing to keep in mind with black coffee, is that it's pretty acidic on the teeth enamel. What I typically do is add milk to dilute the acidity. It also helps mitigate the coffee teeth stain that one gets with consuming straight black coffee. I sometimes also go for cold brew coffee. Tastes 10X better and is significantly less acidic. I've got a little cold brew pot that I got off Amazon that I steep the coffee in. Another thing, I personally avoid all of the specialty drinks offered at coffee shops because they are loaded to the gills with unnecessary amounts of sugar and cream that cling to your teeth and cause havoc. I realize I probably represent a minority of those who drink coffee solely for its caffeine benefits with nothing else.

LOL, sorry for the coffee tangent.
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Thai, like you, I am an avid coffee drinker.
However, one thing to keep in mind with black coffee, is that it's pretty acidic on the teeth enamel. What I typically do is add milk to dilute the acidity. It also helps mitigate the coffee teeth stain that one gets with consuming straight black coffee. I sometimes also go for cold brew coffee. Tastes 10X better and is significantly less acidic. I've got a little cold brew pot that I got off Amazon that I steep the coffee in. Another thing, I personally avoid all of the specialty drinks offered at coffee shops because they are loaded to the gills with unnecessary amounts of sugar and cream that cling to your teeth and cause havoc. I realize I probably represent a minority of those who drink coffee solely for its caffeine benefits with nothing else.

LOL, sorry for the coffee tangent.
Yeah, i avoid specialty coffee too. Well, i am lactose intolerant. Damn. I see people add Almond milk to their coffee. Thanks, I did not know about coffee effects on enamel. I do have a fridge in my office...maybe i will get some almond milk and mix with my black coffee. BTW, i get coffee from my workplace, which is probably cheap...but i do know that it is caffeinated (which is what i want too).

BTW, there is a thread on benefits of coffee that i started: Finally Good news: Coffee
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Nooooooo!!!!

You can find anything on the internet...some of their "sources" are from irrelevant journals or partial quote from a larger study.

Love this one...from #1:

"A Mayo Clinic partnered study found that men who drank more than four 8 fl.oz. cups of coffee had a 21% increase in all-cause mortality. However, those that reported that they consumed excessive amounts of caffeine were also likely to smoke and have poor fitness."

Link? None. 21% increase!!! Wow...except that the study did not isolate caffeine from SMOKING and POOR FITNESS! Now, all of a sudden, 21% quote is about as useful as poop-flavored lollipop! And that is the #1 reason!! 2nd Mayo study is no where to be found on mayo site.

Just saying. What i put out on the other COFFEE thread is the latest research from large journals and thoroughly reviewed.
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