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So a 10-yr Lithium 9v battery failed in 6 months??
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05-12-2020, 02:53 AM
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The comments around planning are spot on. I did lighting the thermostat just for convenience and energy savings.
I have plenty of smart home stuff... but I just can't get myself to do it to my locks, which includes my garage door as it's possible to exploit.
I stick with good ole mechanical high security locks and a reinforced jam. I have key control as well. You can't duplicate the key and it's physically tough as shit and extremely resistant to brute force attacks like drilling.
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05-12-2020, 06:30 PM
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The comments around planning are spot on. I did lighting the thermostat just for convenience and energy savings.
I have plenty of smart home stuff... but I just can't get myself to do it to my locks, which includes my garage door as it's possible to exploit.
I stick with good ole mechanical high security locks and a reinforced jam. I have key control as well. You can't duplicate the key and it's physically tough as shit and extremely resistant to brute force attacks like drilling.
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Yep, there is one place in the US to duplicate my keys. Without the key, you're not getting into the lock.
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05-12-2020, 06:38 PM
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Yep, there is one place in the US to duplicate my keys. Without the key, you're not getting into the lock.
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Sounds like we use something similar... I love high security locks
My locks came with a ownership/duplication key card which is required to make or copy a key. Having the key itself isn't enough.
On top of that, the keyway is registered to a single locksmith in the entire US so there is accountability/traceability as key blanks are only available from one source.
It's a nice system, as you can master-key it and reduce the number of keys you need while maintaining security/permissions. Plus most all my pad locks use the same core. Aside from my car key, I don't have much else on the ring.
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05-12-2020, 09:05 PM
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Sounds like we use something similar... I love high security locks
My locks came with a ownership/duplication key card which is required to make or copy a key. Having the key itself isn't enough.
On top of that, the keyway is registered to a single locksmith in the entire US so there is accountability/traceability as key blanks are only available from one source.
It's a nice system, as you can master-key it and reduce the number of keys you need while maintaining security/permissions. Plus most all my pad locks use the same core. Aside from my car key, I don't have much else on the ring.
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Protec2. I figured I was the only one in the US that used these things.On top of that, all the entry doors (except for one) have inside locking deadbolts that I lock when I'm away, so if somebody breaks in through a window they'll have to leave that way too because they ain't going out a convenient door. Yep, padlocks and gate locks are keyed that way too - as was my phone box at the office.
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05-12-2020, 09:19 PM
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Protec2. I figured I was the only one in the US that used these things.On top of that, all the entry doors (except for one) have inside locking deadbolts that I lock when I'm away, so if somebody breaks in through a window they'll have to leave that way too because they ain't going out a convenient door. Yep, padlocks and gate locks are keyed that way too - as was my phone box at the office.
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Assa Abloy Protec2 is solid, i'm a fan.
I liked the idea of a locking deadbolt from the inside, but from a fire saftey standpoint I opted for the Mul-T-Lock using the MT5+ key system.
The Hercular Double Cylinder Captive deadbolt still maintains the traditional thumb-turn, but with the key, it can be removed making locking from both ends. Something I would use when leaving for an extended period of time.
That's about as smart home as my door locks are going to get.
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05-13-2020, 05:28 AM
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I designed mine around Z-Wave which is a pretty secure wireless technology.
It has been running for a few years without any issues.
What is more of a deterrent than an alarm system is having cameras in plain view but out of reach. I have one at every entry point and three angles on the driveway. One angled into and one out of the front door. The NVR is hidden in a place that no one would find unless they spent hours tracing the CAT5E cables thru the walls to the source. It is all 4K cameras so you get every detail.
The cameras are great for other things such as looking to see when the dogs are at the back door wanting in. Looking remotely from the phone to see if my wife is working (she is a nurse works nights and her schedule always changes).
I have another camera ready with a super zoom lens that I will point to the local freeway so I can see what traffic is like before leaving the house.
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05-13-2020, 10:31 PM
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Assa Abloy Protec2 is solid, i'm a fan.
I liked the idea of a locking deadbolt from the inside, but from a fire saftey standpoint I opted for the Mul-T-Lock using the MT5+ key system.
The Hercular Double Cylinder Captive deadbolt still maintains the traditional thumb-turn, but with the key, it can be removed making locking from both ends. Something I would use when leaving for an extended period of time.
That's about as smart home as my door locks are going to get.
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Yes, I considered the Mul-T-Lock as well, but the finish of the Abloys matched my Baldwin hardware better and the deadbolts are similar in that you can lock the thumb-turn (instead of removing it like the Herc - both are great and impossible to get through - assuming the doorframe is hardened.
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instead of removing it like the Herc - both are great and impossible to get through - assuming the doorframe is hardened.
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05-14-2020, 03:31 AM
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@ TK-422
You are not wrong, but the level of skill and tooling required to do it is significant. It's a highly developed skill. Low skill attacks like bumping and raking won't work. You would literally have to be targeted by someone in the know.
Unless you are the Lock Picking Lawyer (YouTube the guy), most people would be finger banging these locks for the better part of a day.
A brute force attack is far more likely, and these things can hold their own there. Stainless steel anti-drill pins and bearings in the core, along with the deadbolt.
The point of these are to show proof positive there was an intrusion or an attempt. That helps with things like insurance if you had to file a claim vs a clean intrusion with no evidence to support there was false entry.
I'd still trust these over any IoT or Smart internet connected lock.
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Yep, if someone wants in a good step bit and a cordless drill will defeat any lock.
That is why I posted earlier that cameras in view are more of a deterrent.
Having a "I have and alarm" sign use to but not so much anymore.
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That is why I posted earlier that cameras in view are more of a deterrent.
Having a "I have and alarm" sign use to but not so much anymore.
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Having been in IT security for years, one thing I learned is that security comes in layers.
There isn't just one thing, and it is also a mindset you have to adopt.
Cameras are essential these days, but learned some good tricks along the way with alarm.
For those who like to leave their windows open, you can put a second alarm magnetic contact with the window 3-6 inches open. This allows you to functional intrusion detection without having to close the window.
You can also get a wooden dowel and trim it to the 3-6 inch open position to allow a mechanical stop on top of that.
Open windows tend to be a far more likely entry point for thieves than hardened doors.
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05-14-2020, 05:02 PM
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@ TK-422
You are not wrong, but the level of skill and tooling required to do it is significant. It's a highly developed skill. Low skill attacks like bumping and raking won't work. You would literally have to be targeted by someone in the know.
Unless you are the Lock Picking Lawyer (YouTube the guy), most people would be finger banging these locks for the better part of a day.
A brute force attack is far more likely, and these things can hold their own there. Stainless steel anti-drill pins and bearings in the core, along with the deadbolt.
The point of these are to show proof positive there was an intrusion or an attempt. That helps with things like insurance if you had to file a claim vs a clean intrusion with no evidence to support there was false entry.
I'd still trust these over any IoT or Smart internet connected lock.
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Kinda-sorta. If the guy trying to break into your house knows what a Protec2 or Mul-t-lock is, has the blanks and the expertise to pick the lock, then you have far bigger problems and you are being targeted by some smart dudes.
Like Bumbo said, physical security is layers - location, landscaping, video monitoring, physical barriers, intrusion alarms and securing variables.
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Lock picks can be bought on the internet and can pick a typical house lock in seconds. Just saying.
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According to my house I'm using total gosund smart products but the best is it works with Alexa and Google Assistant it get easy to old age persons and disabled people's and you have smart life app that get use when you are not in home
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