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Just hooked up the google wifi in my parents 4 floor house and I am impressed. The setup is extremely easy, and the app that controls the router is very minimalistic. Has built in programs to test almost every aspect of your mesh system. The nice part is that all routers( mine being 4 of them) act as one system and decide which to connect and what freq (2.4 or 5). It reevaluates each device every 5minutes to make sure your device is receiving the best connection. My download speed is 800 and upload is 970 at the main hub and on the 4th floor (which is far and the floors are thick), it is 300down and 600up. Nice system that is very appealing and works on it's own. It updates itself, let's you know outage, and much more. Only issue is that it is not friendly to those who likes to configure every aspect of their router though I believe in future updates they will add more features. They did add port forwarding.
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The google wifi does ask if they have your consent on using your data to improve their system but you can just say no. I think those that freak out are also the guys that just agree to everything when doing setup, etc. And if you did say no and somewhere or you find out they were actually doing that then $$$ but I highly doubt it.
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01-09-2019, 01:41 AM
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Jumped onto the bandwagon early on. IIRC the only real choices when I installed mesh was EERO, Google WiFi and Orbi. EERO won on speed but at an exorbitant additional cost.
Ended up going with Google WiFi for various reasons and been very happy with the results. Covers 2700 sqft, the back yard, front decks, garage, front yard, etc.
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01-09-2019, 12:47 PM
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I have the Orbi with 2 satellites. I'm able to get wifi in my shop now, which is 20 feet away from the house.
Main router is in the basement near the middle of the house. Second satellite is in the kitchen on the wall closest to the shop - but i don't think that matters I believe the Orbi satellites connect directly to the main router, not to each other.
I don't have gigabit but I do have a good signal everywhere I need it, including outside.
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01-09-2019, 01:27 PM
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I use an eero (main pod with two satellites) and have been happy with it . . . except for the price. This past weekend I needed to call customer support for some help setting it up with a new modem (turns out it was super easy) and the service was indeed quite good. Initial setup was really straightforward. Plus, the device doesn't look as awful as others.
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Eero here too. Works great. Maybe not enough for me to tinker with, but that's the way most people like their wireless.
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01-09-2019, 10:16 PM
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Well, after all the research, i have decided to go with installing Ethernet outlets in 6 outlets throughout my house. My house is pre-wired with Cat-5e outlets that is wired for telephone. So, AV guy converted 6 of these outlets to Ethernet.
So, now i have good old three Apple Extremes (6th gen) scattered throughout my house. So, now, each one is capable of Gigabit at the router (via hardwire) and Wifi speed of 300-400 at these 3 points!
So, my system is not fancy (2013 Wifi routers from Apple) but Apple routers are just so damn stable and reliable...i cannot remember the last time that it had to reboot it!
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01-11-2019, 01:51 PM
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Yea, i get the concern. It's certainly possible.
But, based on the actual evidence available isn't it Google/Amazon/facebook/etc who have been demonstrated to actually be spying on us. AFAIK despite actual investigation there hasn't been any demonstrable way in which these Chinese companies have been proven to be spying on us through hardware.
I mean, nearly everything is made in China already anyway right? If they are somehow sneaking spyware into the Cinese branded stuff that we can't detect couldn't they just as easily be slipping the same spyware into the US branded stuff thats made in China as well?
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Oh look: Huawei executive arrested in Poland over spying allegations
Not good....
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01-12-2019, 12:44 AM
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Interesting to read that Huawei is not yet banned in the US? I thought it had been.
I know several Canadian telecoms are using Huawei technology to build out their 5G networks. We'll have to see how it plays out.
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01-12-2019, 02:49 AM
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Well, after all the research, i have decided to go with installing Ethernet outlets in 6 outlets throughout my house. My house is pre-wired with Cat-5e outlets that is wired for telephone. So, AV guy converted 6 of these outlets to Ethernet.
So, now i have good old three Apple Extremes (6th gen) scattered throughout my house. So, now, each one is capable of Gigabit at the router (via hardwire) and Wifi speed of 300-400 at these 3 points!
So, my system is not fancy (2013 Wifi routers from Apple) but Apple routers are just so damn stable and reliable...i cannot remember the last time that it had to reboot it!
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Awesome man! That's the best solution as nothing can really beat wired. Only issue for me and maybe you found a solution but having to switch access points depends on where you are in your house etc can get repetitive. But that's great, saved money and still getting that great speed.
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01-12-2019, 01:11 PM
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Awesome man! That's the best solution as nothing can really beat wired. Only issue for me and maybe you found a solution but having to switch access points depends on where you are in your house etc can get repetitive. But that's great, saved money and still getting that great speed.
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For me, it’s not a big issue so far. All my hardwired Apple routers have same network name and password. I have the main one...then the two satellites are in “bridge” mode.
I am not sure if this is because there is overlap of the coverage or not.
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01-13-2019, 03:13 AM
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ive been using the asus rt-ac68u
when i added another one to use it as a mesh, it works, but heres the kicker, i too have the xfinity gigabyte speed.
now on the main computer thats hard wire, i was getting about 550+ mbps with speed test from comcast. i even googled giga speed test to confirm i wasnt having any speed issues. most speed topped out at 550-675.
now when i removed the second router, and disabled the mesh, i was getting the 750+ on speed test and with fast.com and google giga speed test, i was getting the 800+.
now i think my router is just a little old, but i just bought this netgear modem that is docsis 3.1
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01-13-2019, 08:57 AM
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ive been using the asus rt-ac68u
when i added another one to use it as a mesh, it works, but heres the kicker, i too have the xfinity gigabyte speed.
now on the main computer thats hard wire, i was getting about 550+ mbps with speed test from comcast. i even googled giga speed test to confirm i wasnt having any speed issues. most speed topped out at 550-675.
now when i removed the second router, and disabled the mesh, i was getting the 750+ on speed test and with fast.com and google giga speed test, i was getting the 800+.
now i think my router is just a little old, but i just bought this netgear modem that is docsis 3.1
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Just FYI, your Asus router has Trend Micro security...Apple recently banned Trend Micro from their App Store (for Macs) because it got caught sending browsing history and other info to China servers: Apple takes down Trend Micro Mac apps that collected, stored user data | Ars Technica
Not a big deal, but for me personally, i stay away from anything Trend Micro makes or associate with.
Your experience with mesh...makes me glad that i did not spend money on mesh!
I am using Apple Extreme routers from 2013...3 of them total (1 base connected to Xfinity modem, and 2 satellites are connected to wall via Ethernet).
My iMac Pro is connected by Ethernet straight to the base Apple router. I am getting easily 850+ in Speedtest.net (and Xfinity speed test). And this with the 2 satellites connected (via Ethernet to wall outlet).
But my setup is not mesh. It is just 3 Apple Extreme connected via hardwire. Same network name and password. The 2 satellites are in "Bridge mode".
So far, i love my setup. The transition from router to router may not be as smooth as mesh, but i have NOT noticed any issue in the transition...not noticeable by my or my kids.
As for modem, i used to buy my own instead of renting from Comcast/Xfinity. Saves $120 every year. Except that when i had any issue with connection at the house, they ALWAYS blame my 3rd party modem (Zoom i think). It got tiring dealing with that because it always comes back to that. And at times, it was the 3rd party modem that i bought that was the problem...but it became a customer service nightmare everytime i called. Comcast/Xfinity always use it as scapegoat! So, now, i pay $120 per year to rent Comcast modem. That way, much less headaches...and i must admit less issue too.
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01-13-2019, 11:05 PM
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Just FYI, your Asus router has Trend Micro security...Apple recently banned Trend Micro from their App Store (for Macs) because it got caught sending browsing history and other info to China servers: Apple takes down Trend Micro Mac apps that collected, stored user data | Ars Technica
Not a big deal, but for me personally, i stay away from anything Trend Micro makes or associate with.
Your experience with mesh...makes me glad that i did not spend money on mesh!
I am using Apple Extreme routers from 2013...3 of them total (1 base connected to Xfinity modem, and 2 satellites are connected to wall via Ethernet).
My iMac Pro is connected by Ethernet straight to the base Apple router. I am getting easily 850+ in Speedtest.net (and Xfinity speed test). And this with the 2 satellites connected (via Ethernet to wall outlet).
But my setup is not mesh. It is just 3 Apple Extreme connected via hardwire. Same network name and password. The 2 satellites are in "Bridge mode".
So far, i love my setup. The transition from router to router may not be as smooth as mesh, but i have NOT noticed any issue in the transition...not noticeable by my or my kids.
As for modem, i used to buy my own instead of renting from Comcast/Xfinity. Saves $120 every year. Except that when i had any issue with connection at the house, they ALWAYS blame my 3rd party modem (Zoom i think). It got tiring dealing with that because it always comes back to that. And at times, it was the 3rd party modem that i bought that was the problem...but it became a customer service nightmare everytime i called. Comcast/Xfinity always use it as scapegoat! So, now, i pay $120 per year to rent Comcast modem. That way, much less headaches...and i must admit less issue too.
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right now i have disabled the mesh, i just use the 2nd router as a access point, it works, great when i just need to use it for outside the driveway.
also on my router, i dont use any of there software features like ai protection or qos, i find that if its enable itll slow the router more.
also these routers , one is brand new, and one is used, for used i didnt spend more than 45 on ebay, it works.
this netgear CM1000 modem seems pretty good.
the mesh is pretty good if you have spotty connection around the house.
now since you set it up as access point, you can set one of the router to be slow for the kids and guest so they dont use up the bandwidth. this is how i have my setup now. main router has all the speed for my use, the second one for everyone else so they can browse and youtube.
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Something to consider when dealing with Mesh or Repeater networks...
You take a bandwidth penalty of about 50% for every hop or repeater node in a network.
All of my APs are hardwired. It helps the overall system performance. I only do a wireless up-link when absolutely critical.
All of my Ubiquity access points are physically hardwired. I do have a couple that are working off a wireless up-link, but that's only because I cant get cable to it.
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01-14-2019, 01:31 AM
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Something to consider when dealing with Mesh or Repeater networks...
You take a bandwidth penalty of about 50% for every hop or repeater node in a network.
All of my APs are hardwired. It helps the overall system performance. I only do a wireless up-link when absolutely critical.
All of my Ubiquity access points are physically hardwired. I do have a couple that are working off a wireless up-link, but that's only because I cant get cable to it.
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Agreed! Wired will always beat wireless. But sometimes wireless is cost effective and saves time. The house I setup for my parents was a 4 story house built in like the 60s. Luckily the neighborhood was upgraded to Verizon fios (the real one) and had fiber lines going to the hub then to each house. Was pulling almost 1000mbs, so the loss was not as painful since that speed is pretty much over kill.
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I hard wired my house in the days of "G" wireless. Needed multiple routers for minimal coverage. As the tech increased it was simple plug and play upgrades. When possible, always go for hardwire.
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