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Originally Posted by mscot
I disagree with their policy but everyone here shitting on Salesforce's product is hilarious.
Your company's implementation of it may have been shit, but the core product, albeit bloated and perhaps stretching outside of what they really are (ie. trying to say they are a BPM tool), is solid. Are there competitors sure. But it will cost a lot of money and time to switch a company off of a heavy implementation of Salesforce.
@ Gunslinger-13
"Chic-Fil-A for instance- didn't even take an anti-LGBTQSA stance, they just said they neither support nor discriminate against such people, but hold Christian values and believe the lifestyle/sin is wrong, it's just their belief as Christians..."
That's not even remotely correct. The company's charitable foundation and the founding family have contributed to anti-lgbtq organizations for a very long time and continue to do so (1.6m to FCA in 2017 and formerly to Exodus International which promotes conversion therapy)
Also, you're drawing a ridiculous comparison. Gun owners are not a protected class anymore than coffee cup owners are.
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Yet- Chic-fil-a still hires and employs LGBTQSA people, they will still serve and sell to LGBTQSA people and neither supports nor discriminates against them.
They believe it is wrong, and in the past supported organizations that seek to "right that wrong" in their minds.
That's the issue here that I am framing, that if someone is NOT "FOR" and "SUPPORTIVE" of a lifestyle or group of people, they are instantly labelled negatively and ostracized as a "hateful" person or group.
That's just wrong.
So salesforce is literally antigun by creating policies that will disallow business users who sell certain types of firearms from utilizing their services- get it? They are banning people from using their platform who they don't agree with.
Chic-fil-a is not stopping anyone from working there or eating there because of there sexual preference- They have banned NO ONE from chic-fil-a due to being LGBTQSA- get it?
By the way, Chic-fil-a stopped donating to those organizations after the backlash the rainbow flag crowd brought against them, yet the LGBTQSA mafia is STILL putting the screws to them...
Conversion therapy and what is right and wrong are whole other discussions to be had.
People should be free to form heir own opinions and follow their own form of faith and religion. Just like folks should boycott whom they please as individuals, but getting a city to ban a fast food restaurant from an airport?
Turning someone who does not actively support you, your cause or lifestyle into an enemy that use be fought and made to change their views/beliefs- is just ridiculous.
My point- is there should be no "protected Classes".
Let me also add some personal experience and perspective here-
I am a Christian, not a fundamental goes to church every Sunday (Cause I have to work too much and Sunday is one of those days...) type, but I believe in a creator in the Christian sense.
I also believe that homosexuality is wrong.
I'm not against homosexual people nor their choice of lifestyle though. They are free to do as they wish as long as they are not hurting me or infringing on my Rights. More power to them to be whomever and be with whomever they please.
I also believe it is a sin, and I hate the sin, not the sinner.
My older sister is homosexual, I love her and her wife; they are good people who love eachtoehr and I am just fine with that.
I was actually ordained a minister to perform their ceremony, personally.
That may sound odd to most. But here's the thing about people and religion and love and life- we all have beliefs and are entitled to them, but that doesn't mean that if our beliefs run counter to another, we hate them or wish them harm.
My faith is important to me, but so is my sister, I chose to support her in a way that is at odds with some of my belief system because I love her and want her to be happy how she sees fit.
I still feel homosexuality is wrong and will teach my children that is what I believe and they need to decide what they believe on their own based on their life experiences and wisdom.
I just hired an openly gay woman because she was the best candidate for the position and I believe she will help our company reach our goals better than the other candidates presented to me. I am friends with her and her wife.
I would never treat anyone much differently than anyone else unless they sought to do me, my loved ones/family or innocent people around me harm- then they are in some serious trouble.
So with a little perspective...
I am pro-christian and believe homosexuality is wrong and a sin- so, would you say I am anti-gay?
Should I be made to change my opinions and viewpoints to appease others?
Do my beliefs make me hateful or wrong, even though I am loving and accepting of others and the lifestyles they have I do not agree with?