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Old 06-02-2020, 11:56 PM #16
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Another vote for the Taser Pulse + and some Sabre 3-in-1 pepper spray.
Got the Sabre pepper spray already. Also I was looking for a taser compact enough to fit in her purse. I think the pulse+ will be the one i go with.

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Sounds like she needs to get a little .380 and if any nosy snoops happen to glance it she can tell them it's her taser. I've seen way too many videos of tasers malfunctioning to ever even want one for free, and if yo miss with that one and only shot you get, all bets are off. Way better off with a fogger/cone spray, IMO. There was one vid just out today of cops tasing two early 20s in Atlanta and neither one was effectively incapacitated. Saw another vid years ago of a cop getting a direct hit but it just lodged in the guy's puffer jacket and cop got shot multiple times, almost died. I bought my gf some UDAP 3P Jogger Fogger, I'd also trust Fox but trigger mechanism looked a little less easy for her to use on that one.
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Crackling of a stun gun is loud. Stun guns would not necessarily take out an assailant. Police issue have similar problems in some situations. Think of it as a legal deterrent. The deterrent of the sound helps her keep her distance.

They do make some with a security key. When removed it's enert. Any kids that find it can't hurt themselves. She would have it at the ready before exiting a building.
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Be very careful about where you buy those items as well. The amount of counterfeit items on Amazon is staggering, so you need to check who the seller is.

There is no way to "test" a pepper spray to assure that it works, so you need to rely on the manufacturer that the device will work as intended.

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Sounds like she needs to get a little .380 and if any nosy snoops happen to glance it she can tell them it's her taser. I've seen way too many videos of tasers malfunctioning to ever even want one for free, and if yo miss with that one and only shot you get, all bets are off. Way better off with a fogger/cone spray, IMO. There was one vid just out today of cops tasing two early 20s in Atlanta and neither one was effectively incapacitated. Saw another vid years ago of a cop getting a direct hit but it just lodged in the guy's puffer jacket and cop got shot multiple times, almost died. I bought my gf some UDAP 3P Jogger Fogger, I'd also trust Fox but trigger mechanism looked a little less easy for her to use on that one.

Finally, a comment about passing off a firearm as a stun gun - at best, it will get you fired (and, most likely, a trip to the police station to sort out the legality of the handgun and the legality of ownership) and - depending on the job - could be a felony. And that is assuming nothing bad happens with that gun.
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at best, it will get you fired (and, most likely, a trip to the police station to sort out the legality of the handgun and the legality of ownership) and - depending on the job - could be a felony. And that is assuming nothing bad happens with that gun.
Still better than the alternative, right?
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Maybe in DC, but most of the rest of the country, certainly NH or AZ, carrying a gun doesn't even warrant police interest much less a trip to the station. I think the only place it's a felony to carry is court, although don't quote me, but is something to be aware of. Life is risk and odds, up to her to decide whether the risk of getting caught and losing her job outweighs the risk of being assaulted.

Also OP, here's some more data on Taser (un)reliability - Tasers are less reliable than their maker has claimed. The results can be deadly | When Tasers Fail | APM Reports Up to 50% failure rate, even when used by trained police officers
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Maybe in DC, but most of the rest of the country, certainly NH or AZ, carrying a gun doesn't even warrant police interest much less a trip to the station. I think the only place it's a felony to carry is court, although don't quote me, but is something to be aware of. Life is risk and odds, up to her to decide whether the risk of getting caught and losing her job outweighs the risk of being assaulted.

Also OP, here's some more data on Taser (un)reliability - Tasers are less reliable than their maker has claimed. The results can be deadly | When Tasers Fail | APM Reports Up to 50% failure rate, even when used by trained police officers
Not only in DC. If your employer has told you that you cannot bring a firearm onto their premises, then they certainly can (and will) terminate employment.

The employer can (and probably will) call law enforcement who will need to check the provenance of that handgun.

Bringing a firearm into most any federal building is illegal. Here are definitions of "federal buildings"


Federal Off-Limit Areas Even With a Permit
There are also Federal laws that ban the carrying of firearms on most Federal properties. This also applies to concealed carry permit/license holders. A full list follows;

Federal Courthouses*
Federal Buildings*
Any Building - Owned, Leased or Rented by the Federal Government. This includes buildings in National Forests which are property of the Federal Government. There is no Federal Law that prohibits carry in National Forests. States control the carrying of firearms in National Forests in their state.
Federal Prisons*
U.S. Army Corps of Engineers* - The Corps builds and runs flood control and navigation Dams. The Corps has jurisdiction over the Dam Site and usually all waters backed up by the dam. Carry anywhere on Corps property is illegal. Firearms can be unloaded and secured in a vehicle while on Corps Property.
National Cemeteries*
Military Bases - Firearms are forbidden on military bases even unloaded and secured in a vehicle. Carry not allowed. Some have shooting clubs. You can take firearms onto the Base to shoot if allowed by the base. Certain rules/regulations must be met before bringing firearms onto a Military Compound. Check at each Military Post for specific rules on Shooting Clubs.
Rented Offices - Any part of any building that the Federal Government has rented for Office space or work force etc. Just their offices or the part of the building they have control over. You can carry in the rest of the building if state or local laws allow.
Amtrak - will have a system in place to check firearms/Ammo in (Amtrak Firearms Policy)
Post Office - Postal regulations prohibit the possession of firearms in their buildings and in their parking lots or any property they own.
Bureau of Land Management* - If you can legally carry in the state the BLM land is in you can carry on the BLM land. If it is not legal the area will be posted as no firearms allowed. Any building on the BLM land operated by the federal government is considered federal property and carry in those buildings is not allowed.
Indian Reservations - Carry on Indian property is controlled by Tribal Law. You must check with each tribe before carrying on their property. Some Indian Tribes consider federal and state highways through their property as under their control.

* This includes parking lots adjacent to or part of the facility if the Federal Agency/Entity owns or has control of the parking lot and it is posted “No Firearms”. The lot has to be posted under federal law if they do not wish to have firearms present.
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It should also be noted that carrying a firearm within 1000ft of a K-12 school is illegal. It is quite possible that the OP's wife works in an area that is considered a "school".

If the OP's wife works in a location where she feels it is necessary to bring an illegal weapon, then she needs to find a new job - an academic discussion as it appears that the OP and his wife are looking for legal options.
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Not only in DC. If your employer has told you that you cannot bring a firearm onto their premises, then they certainly can (and will) terminate employment.

The employer can (and probably will) call law enforcement who will need to check the provenance of that handgun.

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It should also be noted that carrying a firearm within 1000ft of a K-12 school is illegal. It is quite possible that the OP's wife works in an area that is considered a "school".
An employer doesn't need any reason to terminate employment in most non-union circumstances, so it goes without saying that they have the ability to do so, with or without a rule violation.

In DC, simply having a gun is generally illegal. For the rest of us, if a firearm carrier isn't doing something illegal, police don't have a right to ask for documentation. Furthermore, a majority of states, including NH and AZ don't even require permits to carry concealed, and even some states that do, like neighboring liberal CT, don't require those who carry to produce a permit on demand unless they're suspected of a crime.

Breaking an employer's policy isn't a crime. In most states you can legally bring a gun into a bank. You will be removed and banned if discovered doing so, but won't be arrested as it's only breaking a rule, not a law.

Carrying a concealed firearm by an adult is not illegal in NH schools or many other states.

These facts matter. In most states, people still have a right to defend themselves. Whether or not they want to use it is a personal choice, but they should at least be aware of the options.
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An employer doesn't need any reason to terminate employment in most non-union circumstances, so it goes without saying that they have the ability to do so, with or without a rule violation.

In DC, simply having a gun is generally illegal. For the rest of us, if a firearm carrier isn't doing something illegal, police don't have a right to ask for documentation. Furthermore, a majority of states, including NH and AZ don't even require permits to carry concealed, and even some states that do, like neighboring liberal CT, don't require those who carry to produce a permit on demand unless they're suspected of a crime.

Breaking an employer's policy isn't a crime. In most states you can legally bring a gun into a bank. You will be removed and banned if discovered doing so, but won't be arrested as it's only breaking a rule, not a law.

Carrying a concealed firearm by an adult is not illegal in NH schools or many other states.

These facts matter. In most states, people still have a right to defend themselves. Whether or not they want to use it is a personal choice, but they should at least be aware of the options.
NH is a bit of an anomaly as far as individual rights are concerned (and that is neither good nor bad) but that certainly isn't the norm in the US and runs afoul of some federal laws.

I don't want to get into a discussion of what is right (I've had/have CC permits in NY, MA, MD, VA and DC) or wrong, but what is the law.

Here, we have an employer that says "you can't have a gun, but you can have a taser". That is now part of her employment agreement and, since she wants to keep her job, isn't a discussion that we should be having.

BTW, you and I are probably on the same side of the argument - we just disagree on wanting to break a law that can get you into a world of hurt (in most states outside of NH)

BTW Carrying weapons in schools isn't allowed in AZ.
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