While I do agree that eVs will gain a greater share of the market over the next 20 years, I think there will still be a place for gas engines.

A few other points - last I read the best thing you can for the environment is keep an old vehicle. An enormous amount of energy goes into producing a new vehicle, something that last I saw a report on break even you still won’t make up for with an ev vehicle. Now if you need a new vehicle bets are off, but simply trading in to save the environment doesn’t work

I’d also point out that this is all very risky until gm, Honda, Toyota, Ford have reliable vehicles

Elon musk is somewhere between eccentric and nut and it’s tough to have complete faith that Tesla will be around for the long haul. Add in that’s already difficult to get your Tesla serviced if there’s an issue ( multipl people we know have been without their vehicle for a few months at a time), if Tesla ever goes out of business those vehicles will be worthless bc you can’t service them.

There’s also this report - now I don’t always trust cnn, but this is verified by Tesla’s own leadership - their current value comes from buying credits, not selling cars
Tesla'''s dirty little secret: Its net profit doesn'''t come from selling cars - CNN

So in summary yea we’re moving towards ev, but the reliable companies have a long way to go before we get there for good

Electric cars are clearly the future. With all the R&D focused there, they will make them so good that people will want them over ICE vehicles. Just like everyone wants LED lights now - it didn't start out that way! I'm sure that my 2020 will be the last ICE vehicle that I buy.

What I am concerned about is what happens to all the rural residents in the big Western states. They need a big truck that goes a long distance for the way they work. If gas prices go too high there will be trouble. The country needs to get these people on board with something like the old rural electrification project.

The irony is that you haven't figured out you're the pig.

Rock on mscot. I love my fans.

Norway is beating us in EVs.
Check this out:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCy-a_E2I3sNu

Just an anecdote but on my previous model 3, when we needed service we requested it through the app and they came the next day and completed the service in our apartment's parking lot. And that was the only service we needed for the car for a year and a half.

Judging by his posts from the last few weeks he's attained the level of Shitposter Extraordinaire. I guess he's proud of that.

Remember when this board was useful?

So he makes a thread about a topic, you don't like what he has to say about said topic, state that, then continue to shitpose yourselves? Why continue to be in this thread if you don't find it useful or of value...unless you just like to be obtuse and shitpost yourselves?

This is why I took a 6 month hiatus.

No, it's more like he doesn't like what other people say so makes antagonizing/trolling posts.

Go back and look for yourself. He doesn't even post about 4runners.

I don't think anyone is denying that the M3P is fast and I don't have any qualms with Tesla, I just think they limit the driving experience and fun of modifying cars.

Every Tesla is only fast as what you paid the dealership for. So someone can go buy their Plaid+ S, M3P, or whatever but it won't be going much faster than that. You could have bought a clapped out fox body for 1000 and drop a twin turbo texas speed 427 in it and run laps around model s's all day. It comes down to personal preference.

I wouldn't mind a commuter car like that. Personally, I think its rather dangerous to sell cars that do 0-60 under 3s to a bunch of commuters but whatever.

Welcome back!
Same old, same old...

The fact that people ignore the fact roads are paved with oil (asphalt/Bitumen) or which gasoline/diesel are basically byproducts of each other says a lot.
Concrete is expensive and takes long, but lasts longer.
Then the fact it takes about an average of 7/9 gallons of oil per vehicle tire.
Enter tires made of orange peels
New Tires Made of Oil from Orange Peels | Earth 911

Time to build more nuclear plants as some states have issues keeping power on without the increased load of charging vehicles.
Law of averages comes into play there.

Solar really isn't an answer as if you passed a solar farm where a pine tree farm once was, you can understand the clear-cutting and the rise of temperatures due to the radiation absorbing properties of the color black which is the color of solar panels.

Some Massachusetts Forestland Is Being Clear-cut To Put Up Solar Farms
Going solar isn’t green if you cut down tons of trees.
Down to Earth: A choice: forests or solar panels?
Utility-Scale Solar Vs Trees: A Fight that Shouldn’t Exist | EarthTechling
The Photovoltaic Heat Island Effect: Larger solar power plants increase local temperatures
Researchers discover solar heat island effect caused by large-scale solar power plants
Harnessing the sun with the blackest paint in the world
Large wind and solar farms in the Sahara would increase heat, rain, vegetation
(If rain falls where it didn't, like a desert, it will not fall where it used to, plains/cities.



Then we move into WATER WARS.
Nobody is paying attention to that yet, and desalination plants should be being built on the coasts and perfected at an increased pace, but they are not.


The real solution would be depopulation.
Say via a virus, sterilization or war.

I took off over 13 years for financial independence.
It really wasn't a loss.
Nothing changed.

Discussions are useful.
Some people slowly learn pros and cons from them.