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Never finished high school
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10 |
1.37% |
Never finished high school
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10 |
1.37% |
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High school diploma / GED
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101 |
13.80% |
High school diploma / GED
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101 |
13.80% |
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Trade school / Technical school diploma
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41 |
5.60% |
Trade school / Technical school diploma
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41 |
5.60% |
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Associate degree
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66 |
9.02% |
Associate degree
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66 |
9.02% |
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Bachelor degree
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329 |
44.95% |
Bachelor degree
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329 |
44.95% |
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Masters degree
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126 |
17.21% |
Masters degree
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126 |
17.21% |
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Ph.D (doctorate) / MD
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59 |
8.06% |
Ph.D (doctorate) / MD
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59 |
8.06% |
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11-21-2017, 02:57 PM
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I consider myself self-educated in my adult life, but my formal education was high school then dropped out of JC.
Not because it was too hard, but because of opportunity cost.
I thought it was a waste of time and it was too expensive. I decided to start working instead of leaving school $250k-500k in debt.
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02-01-2018, 01:32 PM
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College isn't the right answer for everyone. My first degree was a waste of time and I've never seen any return on that investment. I put a lot of thought (and sweat) in before I decided that there was a second degree that would pay off for me. Luckily it worked out better the 2nd time.
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02-03-2018, 09:48 PM
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School is not for everyone
I know plenty of people without college doing very well in life. I have college and grad school and it worked for me. I was able to use sports and academic scholarships to go to school for cheap.
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02-03-2018, 11:49 PM
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Location: Northern California
Age: 36
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Tapatalk doesn't have "buttons" with which to vote, so I'll just answer, and include a steady stream of urine for the contest:
Automotive tech school grad, including a diploma and their own specialized "Associate's" degree which really doesn't mean anything... But that followed my high school diploma wherein I earned a cumulative 4.2 (yes, higher than 4.0) GPA but never wanted to pursue a white collar job.
Auto Technician for 11 years, currently working for an RV company fixing Airstreams.
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02-04-2018, 07:06 PM
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I have my masters degree, I actually got my bachelors and my masters while already in my career. I figured I already had my associates and was half way from attaining my bachelors why not? Self accomplishment I suppose. Co workers and a few supervisors told me not too, since I would be making the same amount I was now rather than attaining debt. They were right $56,000 worth of student loans and two pieces of paper and a pat on the back. The misery!
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02-05-2018, 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Iceman710
I have my masters degree, I actually got my bachelors and my masters while already in my career. I figured I already had my associates and was half way from attaining my bachelors why not? Self accomplishment I suppose. Co workers and a few supervisors told me not too, since I would be making the same amount I was now rather than attaining debt. They were right $56,000 worth of student loans and two pieces of paper and a pat on the back. The misery!
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I couldn't pinpoint if the last sentence was sarcasm…
I think in this day and age… and depending on that type of work you do, it’s probably not a bad idea. Things like that may end up being valuable if/when you move jobs. Having a 4 year college degree is pretty much the norm.
On the flip side, from an employer standpoint, you might end up being overlooked because you could command more money, and there could be more affordable candidates that can do the same job with lesser qualifications, but it of course completely depends on the industry.
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02-05-2018, 04:16 PM
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I couldn't pinpoint if the last sentence was sarcasm…
I think in this day and age… and depending on that type of work you do, it’s probably not a bad idea. Things like that may end up being valuable if/when you move jobs. Having a 4 year college degree is pretty much the norm.
On the flip side, from an employer standpoint, you might end up being overlooked because you could command more money, and there could be more affordable candidates that can do the same job with lesser qualifications, but it of course completely depends on the industry.
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Thanks for the reply Bumbo, there was definitely sarcasm in my last sentence! I do believe having a furthering your education past a bachelors degree is a good idea and does make you more competitive in the right position. I work in Federal Law Enforcement, so there is little pay incentives for advancing your education. I'll have a slight edge in a supervisory role once I'm done having fun in the field. Its funny you mention being overlooked, years ago my sister finished her JD and passed her BAR exam, she had a hard time finding a job, either too little experience being a new attorney and over qualified in other positions.
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02-05-2018, 05:11 PM
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Education required really depends on person/need/profession. There are many people who earn ample money without a college degree and many who earn ample money with a basic trades degree. However, not everyone is suited for the trades and not everyone is suited for that corner office white collar type job either. Everyone has their own abilities and needs to do what makes them happy.
I appraise commercial real estate and in my profession, due to financial regulations, a bachelor's degree is required to attain a certified general real estate appraiser license. It is also required in order to attain the professional designations offered by the various industry groups.
Having spent 6 years in the military (2 of which were in military schools), another 5 years in college (switched majors and was in between majors for a semester), there was absolutely no way I was going to bother getting a master's degree. However, I did attain one of the professional designations offered by my industry, but that was just a matter of taking some classes, a test or two, and writing an appraisal, all at the same time as working full time.
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02-05-2018, 06:18 PM
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If I am honest with myself, I also left school because I had some of that entrepreneur bug in me. It wasn't just the debt at the end of the tunnel, but that is how I justified it to myself at the time.
I started a business or two, maybe a bit too early and without the formal background and foundation because they stemmed from hobbies or interests I had; not all worked out the way I wanted. I should have worked jobs in the industry that I wanted to be in before trying to tackle it myself.
Not going to lie, its been an uphill battle with a lot of personal challenges, growth and learning along the way but things are looking up.
I really appreciate the different points of view... and I sincerely mean that. Partially because I didn't go to school, and partially because I wanted to be my own boss and lack the insight of what its like to actually work for someone. Not jobs, but long career level employment working for someone else.
These days I am now and employer, and to be honest, I think its even harder than being an employee, but it's what I signed up for, and what I wanted from the start.
Running your own company is probably a lot like having kids, you have to care about everything and everyone except for yourself first. Diplomacy, politics, needing to be able to put others before you really comes first. Being your own boss has it's perks, but I never though this level of responsibility came with it when I started the journey.
Still not sure if I would have did it any other way.
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02-06-2018, 11:37 AM
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I made sure that my school debt would be manageable after I graduated.
That decision forced me to work while getting my degree and that limited the opportunities for me getting internships. Many internships never paid when I was going to school.
However, I had many opportunities to start a business and even take over my father's bar and hotel. But the thought of having to deal with people constantly made me reconsider.
I happily go home everyday when the clock strikes and I don't look back.
If I don't want to deal with anyone I avoid them.
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02-06-2018, 12:02 PM
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Quote:
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I happily go home everyday when the clock strikes and I don't look back.
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I thought I could do that... but I can't... Working for someone I always felt like "whats the point".
I thrive on the fact that what i'm building is mine and it's quite rewarding.
But I do come from a family of workaholics that do what they love, and love what they do.
Both models apparently have their pros and cons, but lots of perks come with owning a business as well.
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02-08-2018, 06:21 PM
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My 2 cents
The only way I would go to school is if you have a set plan, a career in mind. Going to school especially 50-70k schools to find yourself and figure it out is a waste of money. I own my own business also, I can take fridays off and go fishing and make it up some other day. I could not and never could have a boss.
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04-20-2018, 10:55 PM
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Proud alumnus of NC State, and I'll say that the 4th gen seems to be the vehicle of choice among undergrads here.
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07-06-2018, 05:27 PM
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I wonder how this compares to average level of education for Jeep ownership, or other body-on-frame / off-road focused vehicles
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08-03-2018, 11:09 PM
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Although I technically never graduated high school, I have my bachelor's in finance and am working towards an MS in Business Analytics.
Lord knows I need to hit the trails to retain my sanity!
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