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Silver Supra 10-16-2023 03:38 PM

Alternator died?
 
I was driving home and realized that my radio started to turn itself off then back on again. Then my tach went to zero and the ABS and battery warning light came on. the truck kept running and I made it home - barely.

The battery is only a couple of years old so I'm thinking my 279k mile alternator gave up the ghost.

Any way to check it before I remove it? What is everyone using to replace it - is there an upgrade? I think the OEM one is discontinued.

Thanks!!

phattyduck 10-16-2023 03:44 PM

Charge the battery, and check the voltage while the truck is running. It should be >13.5 with some load on it (turn on the headlights or something) and >14V on a cold start.

A Denso reman (reman'd by Denso, not some other brand using a Denso core) is your safest plug-n-play bet. There are upgraded options that are a bit more work.

-Charlie

Twisted Sid 10-16-2023 03:45 PM

Start it and put a multimeter on the main stud and a ground. It should be putting out 14(+/-) volts.
Charge your battery first back up to 12v though.

19963.4lsr5 10-16-2023 05:07 PM

First off, do you own a volt meter and know how to use it.

If your battery will start the engine without charging it your battery post voltage should be above 13.5vdc.

Do you have a hammer? If you do give the Alt a good shot and start the engine. If the battery light goes out it’s your brushes. They are cheep and easy to replace.


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Sparky 97Runner 10-16-2023 06:57 PM

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This is what my brushes looked like compared to new brushes at roughly the same mileage as yours. I would seriously consider new brushes or Denso reman even if your alternator tests good.

mtbtim 10-16-2023 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Sparky 97Runner (Post 3815558)
This is what my brushes looked like compared to new brushes at roughly the same mileage as yours. I would seriously consider new brushes or Denso reman even if your alternator tests good.

On this subject, I've got a video showing how to do it.

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Romeo1 10-16-2023 11:52 PM

Alternator died?
 
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Originally Posted by phattyduck (Post 3815540)
Charge the battery, and check the voltage while the truck is running. It should be >13.5 with some load on it (turn on the headlights or something) and >14V on a cold start.

A Denso reman (reman'd by Denso, not some other brand using a Denso core) is your safest plug-n-play bet. There are upgraded options that are a bit more work.

-Charlie


All of this.

For voltage testing apply max draw with lights, blowers radio your name it while running. Give it a little rpm. 1200 or higher If your alternator can't at least push 13.5 V it's time for a fix.

Load testing is the only real answer for the battery. You can get those specific gravity testers that are pretty handy and cheap though and test individual cells.

I'm not sure if these run a fusible link or not, but make sure there's continuity from the alternator output to the battery. Make sure the grounds are good too.

If you want to take a crack at fixing yourself, definitely use Tim's video. I have a local alternator shop that I use for everything car, tractor and truck. I've had good success with a NAPA premium stuff too. Never have put one on a Toyota though.

That is a real bummer if OEM is gone.

JoeT4R 10-17-2023 06:37 AM

Definitely agree with @mtbtim and @Romeo1 on this. If you decide you just want to throw an alternator at it, the Denso reman p/n is 210-0434. I personally have this alternator in my rig as we speak and it's done great over the past two and a half years. Absolute no issues out of it and it performs just as expected (Knock on wood!)

Silver Supra 10-17-2023 10:01 AM

Thanks all for the feedback. Can anyone confirm the 80 amp (210-0434) is a direct fit for my '98 since it's spec'd for a 99-01.

Silver Supra 10-17-2023 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by phattyduck (Post 3815540)
Charge the battery, and check the voltage while the truck is running. It should be >13.5 with some load on it (turn on the headlights or something) and >14V on a cold start.

A Denso reman (reman'd by Denso, not some other brand using a Denso core) is your safest plug-n-play bet. There are upgraded options that are a bit more work.

-Charlie

I did this and I was seeing 11.9V... then 11.8V.... then 11.7V and it continued to drop. This was with NO accessories on whatsoever. I even turned the radio off!

JoeT4R 10-17-2023 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Silver Supra (Post 3815599)
Thanks all for the feedback. Can anyone confirm the 80 amp (210-0434) is a direct fit for my '98 since it's spec'd for a 99-01.


I misspoke and checked my information based on your year rig. There’s two available for yours (assuming it’s a 5VZ) and those p/n’s are 210-0180 (70 amp alt) and 210-0447 (60 amp alt)

I apologize for the above error. Although I’m curious to know if you could still use the 0434 without issue. Maybe someone else here might know.

Also for future reference, the website I use for checking Denso parts is called “denso find my part”


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3bears 10-17-2023 12:10 PM

im not so sure about the amps listed above, I know my 2000 uses a 80 amp denso, and the 2001 I had also took a 80 amp

and yes it is easy to just do brushes
but if you want to just swap out real fast , get a Denso reman...from Rock Auto or someplace....but you want a Denso, rebuilt by Denso

19963.4lsr5 10-17-2023 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Silver Supra (Post 3815600)
I did this and I was seeing 11.9V... then 11.8V.... then 11.7V and it continued to drop. This was with NO accessories on whatsoever. I even turned the radio off!


Smack the Alt with a hammer. It may get you by until you get an Alt or replace the brushed.

It works, trust me.


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Silver Supra 10-17-2023 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeT4R (Post 3815603)
I misspoke and checked my information based on your year rig. There’s two available for yours (assuming it’s a 5VZ) and those p/n’s are 210-0180 (70 amp alt) and 210-0447 (60 amp alt)

I apologize for the above error. Although I’m curious to know if you could still use the 0434 without issue. Maybe someone else here might know.

Also for future reference, the website I use for checking Denso parts is called “denso find my part”


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My buddy at the dealership is getting the 70 and 80 amp versions to compare side by side. I should know in a day or two if they are at least physically the same, connections, etc.

19963.4lsr5 10-17-2023 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Silver Supra (Post 3815639)
My buddy at the dealership is getting the 70 and 80 amp versions to compare side by side. I should know in a day or two if they are at least physically the same, connections, etc.


They are the same. Interchangeable.


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