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Robb235 03-21-2013 05:14 PM

ECT Mod Observations
 
Back when I owned my '97 4Runner (before some idiot smashed into it in a parking lot) I ran across the ECT mod, and liking the idea of being able to bump up timing slightly, I installed it. The idea is that by installing a variable resistor, you can fool the ECU into thinking that the engine is colder than what it actually is. With the engine being cooler, theoritically the engine will advance timing and also inject a little bit more fuel for an increase in power. Instructions can be found ECT Mod and Engine Coolant Temperature Sensor (ECT) Mod - YotaTech Forums.

The author of this mod "proves" that this works by showing before and after pictures of engine data, where by having the mod dialed in, the short term fuel trims (STFT's) are slightly higher.

This is all garbage.

First, anyone who's ever put a scan tool on their vehicle and looked at the STFT's can see that the STFT's are constantly bouncing around. Even when the vehicle is not moving and is just idling in the driveway, the STFT's are constantly changing. When I had this mod on my '97, the STFT's bounced around between positive and negative just as much as when the mod wasn't in place. In fact, I don't even think the STFT's are what you should be looking at, you should be looking at the Long Term Fuel Trims.

I've taken my 4Runner on the highway (tried different speeds from 50 to 80) and my LTFT's aren't any different than when the mod is zero'd out (ie. back to stock). I also noticed that there is no difference in timing advance either.

The author claims a "seat of the pants" increase, and claims this is caused by more fuel and an increase in timing. However, I have an alternate explanation. Several years ago I owned a '95 Chevy Monte Carlo that sprung a small vacuum leak one day as I was sitting in traffic. A small vacuum line had popped off and my idle speed went from ~700 RPMs to around ~1,500 RPMs. The cool thing about this was that the car "felt" like it had more power when pulling away from stop lights. Did the car actually have more power? No. But the vacuum leak was raising the engine speed making it feel like it did when I was barely touching the gas pedal.

The same thing is happening with the ECT mod. However, instead of a vacuum leak, the modified ECT signal is causing the ECU to open up the Idle Air Control Valve more, raising idle speed. You're not getting more power out of the engine. You're just pressing the gas pedal a little bit more in a round about sort of way. Want the exact same effect that this mod produces, but without splicing in a variable resistor? Press the gas pedal a little more.

These are just my observations. Feel free to discuss.

02_SE_Runner 03-21-2013 05:26 PM

I do agree that you are not getting power from the engine, but you are getting higher RPM shift points due to the transmission. My 02 came with ECT (stock) I read the owners manual a bit and to my understanding, it only "Electronically" controls the transmission for higher shift points. (Electronic Controlled Transmission). It does nothing to the engine, only the Transmission.

JamesDean91 03-21-2013 06:38 PM

Totally different then what he is talking about. Our Ect button is for the transmission pretty much a shift kit from my understandings.
Iv herd of the Ect mod on 7mgte but that's it.

Robb235 03-21-2013 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 02_SE_Runner (Post 1333330)
I do agree that you are not getting power from the engine, but you are getting higher RPM shift points due to the transmission. My 02 came with ECT (stock) I read the owners manual a bit and to my understanding, it only "Electronically" controls the transmission for higher shift points. (Electronic Controlled Transmission). It does nothing to the engine, only the Transmission.

Ah you didn't read.

I agree that the ECT button works. I'm talking about the Engine Coolant Temperature mod though.

Kurtis 03-21-2013 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robb235 (Post 1333321)
Back when I owned my '97 4Runner (before some idiot smashed into it in a parking lot) I ran across the ECT mod, and liking the idea of being able to bump up timing slightly, I installed it. The idea is that by installing a variable resistor, you can fool the ECU into thinking that the engine is colder than what it actually is. With the engine being cooler, theoritically the engine will advance timing and also inject a little bit more fuel for an increase in power. Instructions can be found ECT Mod and Engine Coolant Temperature Sensor (ECT) Mod - YotaTech Forums.

The author of this mod "proves" that this works by showing before and after pictures of engine data, where by having the mod dialed in, the short term fuel trims (STFT's) are slightly higher.

This is all garbage.

First, anyone who's ever put a scan tool on their vehicle and looked at the STFT's can see that the STFT's are constantly bouncing around. Even when the vehicle is not moving and is just idling in the driveway, the STFT's are constantly changing. When I had this mod on my '97, the STFT's bounced around between positive and negative just as much as when the mod wasn't in place. In fact, I don't even think the STFT's are what you should be looking at, you should be looking at the Long Term Fuel Trims.

I've taken my 4Runner on the highway (tried different speeds from 50 to 80) and my LTFT's aren't any different than when the mod is zero'd out (ie. back to stock). I also noticed that there is no difference in timing advance either.

The author claims a "seat of the pants" increase, and claims this is caused by more fuel and an increase in timing. However, I have an alternate explanation. Several years ago I owned a '95 Chevy Monte Carlo that sprung a small vacuum leak one day as I was sitting in traffic. A small vacuum line had popped off and my idle speed went from ~700 RPMs to around ~1,500 RPMs. The cool thing about this was that the car "felt" like it had more power when pulling away from stop lights. Did the car actually have more power? No. But the vacuum leak was raising the engine speed making it feel like it did when I was barely touching the gas pedal.

The same thing is happening with the ECT mod. However, instead of a vacuum leak, the modified ECT signal is causing the ECU to open up the Idle Air Control Valve more, raising idle speed. You're not getting more power out of the engine. You're just pressing the gas pedal a little bit more in a round about sort of way. Want the exact same effect that this mod produces, but without splicing in a variable resistor? Press the gas pedal a little more.

These are just my observations. Feel free to discuss.


I've consider doing this mod. Only because it would give me a high idle for when I am winching. I've never heard of it increasing power or advancing timing.

BrianSD_42 03-21-2013 09:25 PM

Hey OP,

maybe you should put your comment:
Quote:

This is all garbage.
in ... I don't know perhaps bigger letters


Like this: This is all garbage.


because it almost reads like you are endorsing this lame mod. I skim pretty fast ...

02_SE_Runner 03-21-2013 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robb235 (Post 1333512)
Ah you didn't read.

I agree that the ECT button works. I'm talking about the Engine Coolant Temperature mod though.

Apologies, I was in a rush to get my read/reply in. I did read, I guess I didn't fully understand it the first time in a rush. lol


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