The basic 4Runner that does not exist.
Would you buy a basic 4Runner if Toyota made one. Basic? Standard trans, a/c without climate control, no sunroof, no running boards, no power seats, usual saftey stuff, no roof rack, manual lever for 4x4, p/s, p/brakes, basically just a planner 4Runner?
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Put the iForce 4.7L V8 in it and yes, I would.
Ricky |
The closest thing would be a stripped SR5 but yes you are right.
Koz |
Yeah, but give me a manual transmission, damnit!
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Especially with the V8....
You can get it now, in a Taco or an FJ Cruiser... I want a 4Runner with a manual trans and V8. Ricky |
If I had to buy now, it would be a tough choice between an MT FJ, and an SR5 4Runner.
I'd also put a diesel on the list. When I filled out the new car survey from Toyota, I wrote the 4Runner needs an MT offroad package. |
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(Sorry RickyCRX; I don't think you could get a V8 FJ) Louie, I can see your point. Toyota could market a base model to appeal to a different demographic. They've done their research and that isn't where they want to market the T4R. They want to take it away from it's roots and move it up-market to the camping family/soccer mom crowd. It's still a great ride and most people that buy it don't know or use it's full potential. |
I for one would like a stripper with a diesel and manual tranny with part-time four wheel drive, A/C without climate control, no sunroof, roof rack or running boards, and I would like rear seats that would pop out and all that would make my day. What I really want is a reduction in complexity.
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Yes, definitly. I am so tired of all these fluff options. Forget the V8 also. The V8 is for the US market that thinks it needs everything the biggest.
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The 80 series LC had a bulletproof 4.5L straight six, a solid front axle and THREE lockers. Because the North American market "demanded" V8 power, the 100 series had a V8 engine, but it lost its solid front axle and lockers. My understanding is that many other parts of the world can buy the 100 series LC with solid axles and three lockers. Because I do not tow, I would gladly give up the V8 engine for these other features that I believe are actually more important in a go-anywhere expedition-type vehicle. |
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And how does "demanding" a V8 have anything to do with losing other features? One is not connected to the other. |
My uncle had a 80 series 4.5 in-line six and anytime I drove it I felt it was designed only to go downhill. Sort of like a soap box racer.:(
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Toyota's marketing division probably correctly determined that a more powerful V8 engine and IFS is more attractive in the North American market than an underpowered I6 with a solid front axle and lockers. However, when the IFS LC was introduced in Australia, there was an uproar, and I believe Toyota brought back the soild front axle LC within a year to that market, where capability is prized over power and comfort. All I'm saying is that I would rather have the more capable vehicle even if it does have less power. I would prefer bulletproof reliability and extreme capability over power if given a choice (not that the V8 is unreliable). Heck, I think the FJ40 only had something like 120 hp and the FJ62 had something like 150 hp. I belive the I6 in the FJ80 generated something like 215 hp and 285 lbs/ft. torque. That's enough for what I believe this vehicle was intended for and is still used for around the world. In a perfect world, Toyota would have added the V8 and kept the other features as well. I always get jealous of the stock ultra-capable Toyota's available in other countries when I see them while traveling abroad or on websites like Toyota Australia. This is what I would like to have available in the U.S. - especially the pick-up version: Toyota Australia LC 78 |
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