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mr.walleye 04-13-2019 07:42 PM

starter kill switch
 
I do a lot of fishing out of a boat and sometimes I launch my boat in not so crime free areas. over the years some have had their trailers lock cut off and the trailer stolen right off the hitch ball ( I stop that by backing into the slot, up into a fence or a building). but some have also came back in from a day of fishing only to find their truck and trailer gone.. I personally have never had a single issue, maybe because I drove an envoy or trail blazer :eyebrows: now that I've got the 4Runner I'm a little concerned. id like to put a locking battery kill switch under the hood, but my problem is, is it ok to keep shutting the power off to the computer? I was thinking that if I put the switch between the battery and the starter it would be better and I could probably even hide it better.

jbtvt 04-13-2019 08:26 PM

That'd need to be a hell of a switch. Fuel kill switches are more common, you could probably also tap into the wire between your ignition without needing a full on circuit breaker to handle the amps. Would be much easier to just pull your starter relay.

Don't drop it in the lake.

mr.walleye 04-13-2019 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by jbtvt (Post 3271393)
Would be much easier to just pull your starter relay.

Don't drop it in the lake.

that's actually a really good idea, now I'll just have to figure out which one it is.

jbtvt 04-13-2019 09:55 PM

Box under the hood, it's marked

Akkording 04-13-2019 11:41 PM

Get a sprint booster, disable lock it.

jbtvt 04-14-2019 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Akkording (Post 3271478)
Get a sprint booster, disable lock it.

Surprised those are still being made. There are many other ways to do this for a fraction of the cost of that overpriced gimmick that will be much more effective without turning your accelerator response curve into a response cliff.

Redsoxx1918 04-14-2019 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by jbtvt (Post 3271549)
Surprised those are still being made. There are many other ways to do this for a fraction of the cost of that overpriced gimmick that will be much more effective without turning your accelerator response curve into a response cliff.



Have you ever tried a sprint booster? Itís not a gimmick. Have you driven a modern vehicle with drive by wire that had different drive modes such as eco, comfort, sport and sport plus? It changes throttle response and, in turn, transmission response. Sprint booster mimics those factory settings and provides better throttle response.


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jbtvt 04-14-2019 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Redsoxx1918 (Post 3271573)
Have you ever tried a sprint booster? Itís not a gimmick. Have you driven a modern vehicle with drive by wire that had different drive modes such as eco, comfort, sport and sport plus? It changes throttle response and, in turn, transmission response. Sprint booster mimics those factory settings and provides better throttle response.


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You don't know what you're talking about. I don't mean it as an insult, just pointing out that this is their target audience - people who don't understand electronic systems and want something plug-n-play, and another "mod" in their sig line.

Toyota has been doing different "modes" for 30+ years, cable and DBW applications, so modern or not, vehicle age is irrelevant. It also doesn't matter if the vehicle is DBW because in an actual performance enhancing OEM driving mode, the manufacturer isn't just turning the accelerator into an on/off button, they're changing shift points and patterns, injector pulse width, ignition timing, etc.

On my 21 yo GS400, the "mode" button is called the "electronically controlled transmission pattern select switch". When engaged it hold gears longer eliminating jerky grabs that wear your clutches, if you let off and then re-accelerate. The Sprint Booster has the opposite effect, the car shifts like it always does and then when you give it a little gas your car reads it as you flooring it so slams into a lower gear, toasting that clutch. In a well-designed OEM system sport mode acceleration vs normal mode acceleration feels completely different in the actual drivetrain, it's not at all like I'm just stomping the pedal a little quicker.

This is a sales pitch from SB's own site, from a vendor looking for those sweet marketing $$$ - "We were spinning the tires now without meaning to! And the transmission would downshift much sooner when we leaned into the throttle, adding to the overall improved responsiveness."
- https://www.sprintboostersales.com/J...ter-Review.cfm

^That's a good thing? When I don't want to spin the tires...I don't want to spin the tires! I also hate when my tranny downshifts constantly, in fact if there was one mod I could do to my GX it'd be a trans pressure gauge that tells how close you are to shift points so I could back off to maintain a gear rather than have the repeated upshifts and downshifts.

SB is a gimmick. It's a ghetto-fab knockoff of an OEM system at a premium price, for people who should really just learn to use the throttle they have.

Redsoxx1918 04-14-2019 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by jbtvt (Post 3271582)
You don't know what you're talking about. I don't mean it as an insult, just pointing out that this is their target audience - people who don't understand electronic systems and want something plug-n-play, and another "mod" in their sig line.



Toyota has been doing different "modes" for 30+ years, cable and DBW applications, so modern or not, vehicle age is irrelevant. It also doesn't matter if the vehicle is DBW because in an actual performance enhancing OEM driving mode, the manufacturer isn't just turning the accelerator into an on/off button, they're changing shift points and patterns, injector pulse width, ignition timing, etc.



On my 21 yo GS400, the "mode" button is called the "electronically controlled transmission pattern select switch". When engaged it hold gears longer eliminating jerky grabs that wear your clutches, if you let off and then re-accelerate. The Sprint Booster has the opposite effect, the car shifts like it always does and then when you give it a little gas your car reads it as you flooring it so slams into a lower gear, toasting that clutch. In a well-designed OEM system sport mode acceleration vs normal mode acceleration feels completely different in the actual drivetrain, it's not at all like I'm just stomping the pedal a little quicker.



This is a sales pitch from SB's own site, from a vendor looking for those sweet marketing $$$ - "We were spinning the tires now without meaning to! And the transmission would downshift much sooner when we leaned into the throttle, adding to the overall improved responsiveness."

- https://www.sprintboostersales.com/J...ter-Review.cfm



^That's a good thing? When I don't want to spin the tires...I don't want to spin the tires! I also hate when my tranny downshifts constantly, in fact if there was one mod I could do to my GX it'd be a trans pressure gauge that tells how close you are to shift points so I could back off to maintain a gear rather than have the repeated upshifts and downshifts.



SB is a gimmick. It's a ghetto-fab knockoff of an OEM system at a premium price, for people who should really just learn to use the throttle they have.



Lol...so what youíre saying is that you havenít used a sprint booster and that you have no experience to base your assumptions on. I know perfectly well what Iím talking about and I fully understand drive by wire systems.

You can not duplicate what the sprint booster or pedal commander does by simply flooring the vehicle. It does not just increase throttle input but also increases throttle response, thereby eliminating the lag that has been programmed in. It creates a much more drivable and responsive driving experience. Try one first before you give a review.


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jbtvt 04-14-2019 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Redsoxx1918 (Post 3271631)
Lol...so what youíre saying is that you havenít used a sprint booster and that you have no experience to base your assumptions on. I know perfectly well what Iím talking about and I fully understand drive by wire systems.

You can repeat that all you want, and maybe you even believe it, but when you follow it up with

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Originally Posted by Redsoxx1918 (Post 3271631)
You can not duplicate what the sprint booster or pedal commander does by simply flooring the vehicle.

...anyone who actually understands DBW knows you're full of it. Your pedal outputs a voltage when you press it. Sprint Booster takes that voltage and amplifies it, but only to the max voltage, so your pedal essentially becomes useless beyond the upper quarter/half etc depending on the setting. This is exactly the same as flooring the pedal.

Flooring pedal = max voltage (assuming electrical resistance is set up that way)
Sprint booster + half pedal = max voltage
Sprint booster+ flooring = still max voltage

This is basic, basic stuff. Not even controversial. What's your sticking point? Did you buy one without realizing that it's just increasing voltage based on a set ratio? What correlation are you failing to comprehend between the voltage output when you press the pedal and the increased voltage put out by SB, which essentially decreases your effective pedal range, AKA "floors" your pedal sooner??

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Originally Posted by Redsoxx1918 (Post 3271631)
Try one first before you give a review.

Ever tried hexagonal water? It's amazing, cures cancer, AIDS and retardation with just one sip. You can make your own (invisible changes, of course) for only $399. Oh, you don't believe me? Well, if you've never tried it you have no experience to base your assumptions on, so better buy this right up! - https://www.amazon.com/Mineralized-H.../dp/B0044VEBF6

Then we'll talk.

17KT4R 04-14-2019 10:17 PM

When I had my remote start unit installed (Viper) my shop indicated that they had models as well which included an immobilizer option so if the vehicle was locked with the Viper remote you would have what you're looking for. I just opted for the basic unit to start the damn thing and not have that factory kill when I opened the door.

I don't want to derail the thread toward these Sprint B products because there are plenty of those already but I have driven my friends 5th gen who has one and what I do feel in difference from mine is the lack of throttle delay I guess for 'lack' of a better description? I do primarily city driving and have to be quick on and off the gas where that type of throttle response gets annoying sometimes. He doesn't use the Red race settings or whatever, that causes driveability characteristics exactly as described by the previous post but on it's basic Green setting at 5-7 or whatever he keeps it at, totally cleans up the pedal delay and driveability is improved, at least I noticed that aspect, feels as normal otherwise ( doesn't cause early downshifts or red line shifts from half throttle ).

I think thats the best you can hope for from that product, cleaning up the delay you feel sometimes quickly getting on / off / on the pedal. If it were half the price it is I would buy it just for that I think. I guess the Valet mode option is worth something too if you remember to use it. Complete throttle lock out option I guess is what the OP would use? But thats pushing the buttons on the thing, hiding the remote unit someplace. I'd rather use the Viper product for simplicity and remote start capability. Thats my 2 cents for today :beer:

Redsoxx1918 04-14-2019 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by jbtvt (Post 3271880)
You can repeat that all you want, and maybe you even believe it, but when you follow it up with







...anyone who actually understands DBW knows you're full of it. Your pedal outputs a voltage when you press it. Sprint Booster takes that voltage and amplifies it, but only to the max voltage, so your pedal essentially becomes useless beyond the upper quarter/half etc depending on the setting. This is exactly the same as flooring the pedal.



Flooring pedal = max voltage (assuming electrical resistance is set up that way)

Sprint booster + half pedal = max voltage

Sprint booster+ flooring = still max voltage



This is basic, basic stuff. Not even controversial. What's your sticking point? Did you buy one without realizing that it's just increasing voltage based on a set ratio? What correlation are you failing to comprehend between the voltage output when you press the pedal and the increased voltage put out by SB, which essentially decreases your effective pedal range, AKA "floors" your pedal sooner??







Ever tried hexagonal water? It's amazing, cures cancer, AIDS and retardation with just one sip. You can make your own (invisible changes, of course) for only $399. Oh, you don't believe me? Well, if you've never tried it you have no experience to base your assumptions on, so better buy this right up! - Amazon.com: Wave Q- Mineralized Hexagonal Alkaline Water Generator: Health & Personal Care



Then we'll talk.


Check out the ĎTruck Uí episode on YouTube where they test the sprint booster in a JK Wrangler. The acceleration test out to 55 feet displays how the sprint booster not only increases throttle input but also throttle response, thereby eliminating throttle lag and improving off the line acceleration.

The sprint booster does not increase power but it does improve throttle input and response. You can not duplicate what the sprint booster does simply by mashing the pedal because you cannot manually remove the throttle lag programmed into the 4runner. This is proven in the episode I mentioned above.

Your review of the sprint booster is as valid as someone who writes a review on a new restaurant without having ever actually eaten there. Worthless.


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redneckj 04-14-2019 10:42 PM

Are the keys for the Gen 5 4runners chipped?

17KT4R 04-14-2019 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by redneckj (Post 3271928)
Are the keys for the Gen 5 4runners chipped?

Yes - so you have some form of first line defence there I guess is what you mean? (Copying them) But if you were to have your keys ripped off which in my parts seems to happen regularly at Community Centres, Gyms etc. then you can lose it quickly.

So I guess the OP may be worried about that which is why the immobilizer option on the Viper product may be the best idea (although that means one jacket pocket for that remote and another pocket for the oem one / key set.) Or not... Generally thieves are in a hurry and may not understand it has to be unlocked with the one remote to enable the starter circuit.) :redbrick:

jbtvt 04-15-2019 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Redsoxx1918 (Post 3271924)
Check out the ĎTruck Uí episode on YouTube where they test the sprint booster in a JK Wrangler.

I guess no one ever told you not to believe everything you see on TV. A non-double-blind "test", of a sponsor's product, done on Main Street by a guy holding a stopwatch and they still could only credibly say they gained .1 over 4.6 seconds. Send them a fat check at their product placement request page - Contact | Brenton Productions, TV shows, Commercials, Videos and you too could have you ultra-octane snakeskin-oil turbo-booster featured! Bet they'd pick up .1 second for that too.


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Originally Posted by Redsoxx1918 (Post 3271924)
The acceleration test out to 55 feet displays how the sprint booster not only increases throttle input but also throttle response, thereby eliminating throttle lag and improving off the line acceleration.

Delicious word salad. Did you read that off the back of the pamphlet they included "free" with your $2 worth of injection molded plastic and Chinese transistors?

Please, do explain how it "eliminates throttle lag"...."that has been programmed in". Specifically, in electronics terminology. I've explained how it actually works, by a simple ratio based voltage amplification. But how do you propose that your little gimmick is bypassing this "programmed in throttle lag"? Skip the marketing word salad this time please, you made me hungry enough the first time.

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Originally Posted by Redsoxx1918 (Post 3271924)
you cannot manually remove the throttle lag programmed into the 4runner.

Yup, there it is again.

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Originally Posted by Redsoxx1918 (Post 3271924)
Your review of the sprint booster is as valid as someone who writes a review on a new restaurant without having ever actually eaten there. Worthless.

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Word salad makes you hungry too, eh? Did you buy that hexagonal water creator off Amazon yet? I just know you'll love it after you spend $399 on it!

Choice-supportive bias is real, folks.


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