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4runnerChippy 11-06-2019 07:45 PM
I need help
 
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My 99 4runner had a leaky injector so i replaced the oring on it. since then i had high idle problems and lean bank 1 code, but it was running rich. I took everything back apart, had injectors serviced and cleaned, replaced intake manifold gasket and cleaned all in there, replaced upper and lower plenum gasket, replaced tb gasket, cleaned tb, and still when i start it, it high idles. after 5 min the idle drops but feels like its struggling a little. i attached the live read outs, any ideas.

thanks

The photo with 1400 idle is just after starting.
the photo with 680 idle is after about 5 minutes.
the other two are after warmed up as well

SORRY photos are sideways. don't know how to change now

brillo_76 11-06-2019 08:29 PM
You sure you dont have a vaccuum leak as our hoses are old and can split quickly. Rough idle can sometimes be from a vacuum leak.

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4runnerChippy 11-06-2019 08:58 PM
Idle isnt that rough. we cut ends of split hoses. Could it be IAC?


isnt 18.8% load at idle high?

HiLife 11-06-2019 09:03 PM
You did clean out your IAC valve also?
Were you careful with the cleaner when you cleaned your throttle body?
A hung up valve will create a lean condition and rough idle.
Your 1400 high idle seem normal. Mines goes 1500 then settles at 700 (pending weather).

4runnerChippy 11-06-2019 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by HiLife (Post 3384762)
You did clean out your IAC valve also?
Were you careful with the cleaner when you cleaned your throttle body?
A hung up valve will create a lean condition and rough idle.
Your 1400 high idle seem normal. Mines goes 1500 then settles at 700 (pending weather).
i believe i did yes. how would i know if i have a hung up valve, i did use seafoam

brillo_76 11-06-2019 09:35 PM
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Originally Posted by 4runnerChippy (Post 3384760)
Idle isnt that rough. we cut ends of split hoses. Could it be IAC?


isnt 18.8% load at idle high?
Yes I say yes as my 98 isnt that high of a load at idle.

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HiLife 11-06-2019 11:19 PM
This site has lots of info on the iac and how to maintain it. This is one of many posts.

Bad Luck 11-07-2019 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by 4runnerChippy (Post 3384725)
The photo with 1400 idle is just after starting.
the photo with 680 idle is after about 5 minutes.
the other two are after warmed up as well
Compared to my 2000 v6 those numbers look correct to me and very close to what mine does.

4runnerChippy 11-07-2019 04:28 PM
Iac
 
so today i took off IAC and tested with power and it would open, but never closed all the way, not sure if normal. I put all together and it still high idled. So i said screw it and unplugged IAC, and what do you know 700 rpm idle! plug it back in and 1400 idle. Drove it around and drove great minus the CEL for IAC. Came back let it sit and started up, idle is around 1100, but soon as i plug IAC in it tries to die. So i bought an original IAC off ebay and hope a new one fixes it

Andy in Pa 11-07-2019 04:53 PM
I think what your truck is doing at this point sounds normal. What is the temp outside where you live? My 3rd gen T4R also idles at about the same rpm on startup, then calms down and idles at about 700rpm after warming up. Did you disconnect the battery before starting it back up after doing all that work? Also, if you are in an area where there has been some crazy temp swings, that will affect it strangely sometimes too. Especially the higher the mileage.

Its also a bad idea to run the vehicle with the IAC out of the throttle body. They can overextend and then not want to retract correctly when re-installed. Its not surprising that removing the IAC caused the idle to come down.

4runnerChippy 11-07-2019 05:49 PM
75 degrees here. when i bought it it didnt idle high like that. i'm just going to replace IAC and see what happens.

brillo_76 11-07-2019 06:04 PM
Ah warmer climate. In PA here right now we are close to 40 degrees and falling. It's very common for ours to high idle this time of year as our lows the next 2 nights are in the 20 degrees. Keep us posted on your progress. :)

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4runnerChippy 11-07-2019 06:31 PM
i mean, IAC plugged in high idle, unplug normal. Has to be the IAC right? god i hope so, I'm so tired of trying stuff. Have'nt been able to smog or register it because of CEL.

BTW is the iac flap supposed to close all the way? i put power to it flap moves but doesnt close all the way.

gamefreakgc 11-07-2019 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by 4runnerChippy (Post 3385406)
i mean, IAC plugged in high idle, unplug normal. Has to be the IAC right? god i hope so, I'm so tired of trying stuff. Have'nt been able to smog or register it because of CEL.

BTW is the iac flap supposed to close all the way? i put power to it flap moves but doesnt close all the way.
If it closed all the way, there's be no airflow to the engine and it'd die, I would think.

Do you have the odd but possible issue where your butterfly valve in the throttle body itself is the culprit? Some people have reported wear on the valve itself so it's no longer flush with the housing, allowing air to get past and cause high idle issues. Usually becomes more pronounced after a throttle body cleaning since the gunk is no longer there to seal the gaps.

Bad Luck 11-07-2019 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by 4runnerChippy (Post 3385406)
i mean, IAC plugged in high idle, unplug normal. Has to be the IAC right? god i hope so, I'm so tired of trying stuff. Have'nt been able to smog or register it because of CEL.

BTW is the iac flap supposed to close all the way? i put power to it flap moves but doesnt close all the way.
If you did this before the engine was at operating temp or within a couple minutes of restarting it when it was at/close to temp, then it's normal operation for the IAC. If your idle does not drop to 700 rpm +/- 50 rpm with the ac off once the engine is warmed up then you have an air problem. Not necessarily an IAC problem. 1500 rpm +/- 100 rpm is normal for warm up idle in park or neutral. This information is from a 2000 factory service manual.

What codes do you have?


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