New power plant?
Everyone complains about the T4R power plant. Under powered and horrible MPGs and I couldn't agree more. Now Toyota is down another notch with the new Bronco Eco Boost option, which is a strong motor and much better MPGs.
Since Toyota can't make a decent engine and get decent MPGs they will have to go to a Hybrid option. They could be looking at the GS450H drive train (3.5-liter V6 Hybrid) with 31 MPG. Put that in the box of a 4runner and maybe get 25? A hybrid off road would be pretty cool. Lot's of torque and quiet so you don't scary the hikers. ;) |
Wake me up when Ford makes a turbo motor that isn't utter shit.
Aside from that, the GX was running around for years with a V8 and no issues, so there's no excuse not to have a 6 speed V8 option. As for hybrid, just get a crossover and stop telling Toyota to ruin one of the last useful BOF 4x4s. |
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I'd be all in, especially if you live/travel somewhere at higher altitudes. You lose ~3% of power for every 1,000' of elevation, I live at 6,000' so my engine is running at 18% less than at sea level. A turbo would help overcome that.
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I never expect performance based innovation from Toyota, they have always taken the safest route. The 5th gen 4Runner is essentially a 4th Gen with a body kit. Just about everything below the frame is the same. They have killed every performance oriented car they ever had. The FJ was killed twice! Which is essentially a 4th gen 4Runner with a body kit. Thinking like Toyota, they will need to do something that they do well that other can't/won't do, which means Hybrid. |
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I would be be pretty disappointed with a hybrid option.
They don't need to add complexity, especially in something that can find its way off-road. Lets be real, if you bought a BOF truck for mileage you backed the wrong horse. Not everything in the catalog needs to be eco-friendly |
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I'm not debating the reliability of the Toyota drive train. Although, the electronics are simply stupid in may cases. It's all the bells and whistles that don't work - see Entune, which is now deprecated 3 months after I bought the truck. Or is so complex, it's unusable while driving. Good thing we have TSS to save us. ;) Seriously though Toyota (and most companies) should stop hiring children, that can't drive, to design their user interfaces. So yah your right you can drive it forever and modify it six ways from Sunday, and it's still not a performance SUV. In stock trim it should keep up with a baseline Wrangler off road. But when it gets deep the IFS is limiting and the Rubicon is better equipped. However, it's road manors are much better than most as well. All that adds up to it does a bunch of stuff good enough, but doesn't lead the pack at anything. Except maybe rear leg room. So what is Toyota going to do to be different? Answer Hybrid. Personally I can't stand hybrids and it's not my choice, it's the choice of the masses. |
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The 1GR is a fine engine. It was top of class when it was introduced in 2002. In 2020 - it's not so competitive anymore. The 3rd gen 4Runner was still on sale and came with a cassette tape deck when the 1GR first started selling in Toyota models. It's a very reliable engine. But it's past time for an update to something with a much wider range of efficient power output. |
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I haven't really heard of any one having issues with any manufacturer's hybrid system reliability. It's more complex. But I really have no reason to think it's any less reliable than the current drive train. Given that it will also reduce the stress on the engine by providing ev power at peak times - I think there's a pretty good chance that the system will last longer as a whole. Even if the batteries need a replacement every 20 years - is that a problem? As long as the system notifies that it's needed and that a battery failure doesn't result in a broken down vehicle, I'm not sure I'd be opposed to that. I have to replace the normal battery every 4-5 years. If it saved me more money in fuel and maintenance than the battery replacement cost and gave me all of the benefits of EV drive - like unlimited fording depth, and probably great towing performance, etc. I'd probably be in favor of it. |
Of course - the other fix is just to put the 4Runner on a massive diet. If it weighed more like 4k lbs, that would go a long way toward fixing the power issue. And frankly, the 1GR really is perfectly adequate in stock form. If you never lifted or modified it - the 1GR is plenty. It's just very limited in efficient operating output. So once you do almost any modification the efficiency falls off a cliff. That's probably one of the best benefits of modern engines - they can be really efficient for a wide range of operating conditions. A GM 5.3 can return great fuel economy and make lots of power. You don't have to trade one for the other. So can Ford's EB engines. And so can Toyota's V35A.
Even Toyota's 3.5V6 is actually pretty good - it's just way too small. It's a 3.5L that can also operate as an effective 2 liter engine. What the Tacoma and the 4Runner need is not a 3.5 that can also be a 2 liter. What they need is a 5 liter that can also be a 3.5L. The idea is correct. The engine choice is wrong for the application. The 3.5 is perfect for the Camry. And actually pretty solid choice in the Highlander. Not such a good choice in the Tacoma or 4Runner. |
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