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09-09-2021 09:17 PM |
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Originally Posted by peter78
(Post 3660447)
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As much as I respect his effort, he is getting very carried away and needs to not become so speculative. 2023 is not correct and that has already been stated. It was delayed and it is clear he is going off of outdated information.
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Originally Posted by TexasFunRunner
(Post 3660483)
Great video, thank you for posting.
So the guy in the video claims the 6th gen is still releasing in 2022 as a MY23, that's great news.
However, what about the recent posts on this forum from several members saying it has been delayed until either a MY24 or MY25, who has the better track record to believe?
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A lot of his speculation is much better than the rest (ie other vloggers/journalists), but it still leans on being clickbait to a degree. Anyone with key information, is not hopping in front of a camera or exposing themselves. By going so public as a professional engineer, a lot of people are not passing on info to him I imagine.
As I said before, it is MY 2024 at earliest. It will be built in Mexico at TMMGT and launch in the spring of 2024. No sooner at all.
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Originally Posted by Anthony88
(Post 3660702)
His YouTube channel has been pretty spot on regarding the next gen tundra.
Also the arguement that the 6th gen 4runner is delayed because the Prado is delayed, doesnÂ’t make the most sense to me. Since all of the new trucks are based on the TNGA-F platform, Toyota doesnÂ’t need to design the prado first.
My speculation is that we will see a turbo motor as the only option for a year or two, and see a hybrid come in MY24 or MY25.
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That is not accurate at all, being that the delay of Land Cruiser and Tundra, set back every body on frame redesign by over 1 year and 4Runner and Prado are aligned to the degree, it fell even further behind than the rest.
Prado enters production before the 4Runner, in being manufactured in Japan. 4Runner will follow in early 2024, in being built at another plant in North America.
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Originally Posted by Predatorsniper2005
(Post 3668822)
OP,
Have they even confirmed if the 6th Gen will come out in 2023?
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It won't. At best, it will be revealed. Nothing for MY 2023 and I stand by that, because the new information was credible for me, the deeper I looked.
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Originally Posted by qs933
(Post 3669480)
+1 for a hybrid or plug-in hybrid next-gen 4Runner for me.
Getting 40MPG and feeling peppier than the 4Runner off the line (instant torque) will do that to you.
RE: the release date. Automotive NewsÂ’ latest product roadmap has the next-gen 4Runner delayed until 2024.
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Of course AN updated it LOL. Be careful not to always trust their reporting, even if Crain Communications are the most credible journalists in the industry. Things are always subject to change unfortunately and Automotive News have equally made a lot of false predictions over the years or muddle their information on purpose, to be in between.
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Originally Posted by TexasFunRunner
(Post 3669573)
Here is the text from the article:
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Yep, this is at least correct. No longer being redesigned for MY 2024. Only way that will happen is if an about face, happens at the eleventh and Tahara production is retained. Going forward, it is TMMGT and that does not come online until January 2024 at earliest for 4Runner.
Why? New Tacoma needs to be launched first at TMMGT, in September 2023. Can't have two all-new models, enter production at the same time. Hilux has always been a different vehicle from 120-Series/150-Series and rides on IMV frame, a more heavy duty and downmarket architecture for developing and underdeveloped regions. The Tacoma is essentially a 4Runner/Prado pickup, while Hilux sits below it.
Other than sharing maybe the GR V6 once, Hilux is a totally different truck and they might be unified on TNGA-F starting in 2023, when Hilux is redesigned as well.
As for the whole Toyota USA timeline (omitting a few models) through 2024.
Copied from another post of mine:
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Unfortunately, I often keep seeing a lot of unfair comparisons on the 2022 Tundra to other trucks out there, which imply Toyota outright copied their competition and find it to be very lazy thinking. It is mostly Tacoma and 4Runner they borrowed from.
Time wise, Toyota on these lead TNGA-F vehicles, had very high ;lead times, which allegedly required final design work to be completed 3 years ahead of intended launch. This has become their modus operandi, to ensure quality.
This vehicle, developed under 780B (early pseudo-code 954A) for half a decade now, was set for August 2020 start of production at TMMTX, outside of San Antonio for 2021 model year. Final styling of this truck from what I learned, rounded up toward the end of 2017.
About the same time, 2021 Ford F-150 final design was photographed and approved on November 17, 2017 at 4:07 PM in Dearborn, MI (have concrete proof of mine).
Beat the new Tundra to market with a half-ton twin-turbo hybrid, launching in December 2020. Took us 37 months from final design to showroom at the end of 2020. For Toyota, they had a similar timeline planned and fell behind EXTREMELY.
Sometime during 2019, after the 780B program's 2018 design freeze (designer's point of no return), all TNGA-F vehicles were subject to delays in a domino effect. Meaning the 2021 Land Cruiser became a 2022 model, 2021 Tundra redesign became a 2022 model. 2022 Sequoia became a 2022.5 (called 2023MY), 2022 4Runner became a 2023 model**, and 2023 Tacoma became a 2024MY.
Problem, is Toyota had already designed the truck and signed off the body well before that point. The styling has not been changed much at all, since at least being dialed in almost 4 years ago. Remember, the idea was for this to be in showrooms 15 months earlier than the end result due to multiple delays. Ditto for several others in development. The next 4Runner WILL NOT BE A 2023 MODEL ANYMORE! It has been delayed 16-18 months.
Now, I am going to list a trajectory of dates and etc, because I am rather pissed off that a lot of news media, websites, forum reporters, and YouTube clowns, have not picked up on certain insight and provided info on WHEN to expect all these redesigns. I have honestly been talking about TNGA-F since 2016 and no one else made any mention of it until 2019-2020. News seems to travel slowly unfortunately, being that Toyota finally confirmed it in May 2021. Might address Lexus at another date.
Top down from largest to smallest.
2022 MY (USA/CAN only)- 2022 Sequoia
Phased out by February 2022.Ordering has now closed, short MY in anticipation of MY2023 redesign. Now in dealers.
- 2022 Tundra
Fully redesigned on all-new TNGA-F architecture.
Developed under 780B and co-engineered between Toyota Technical Center Ann Arbor MI and Toyota Global HQ Aichi Japan..
Launch date January 2022 for V35A-FTS Version
TT Hybrid Spring 2022
- 2022 Land Cruiser
300-Series will not be offered stateside in Toyota stores
Nameplate replacement under indefinite review since at least 2019
- 2022 Sienna
Carryover, in dealers October 2021
- 2022 Mirai
Carryover, in dealers October 2021
- 2022 Avalon
Carryover, in dealers this month. LAST MY, EOP in 2022
- 2022 Highlander
Minor changes, in dealers November 2021
- 2022 4Runner
Moderate changes, in dealers next week
- 2022 Tacoma
Moderate changes, in dealers by October 1, 2021
Some are in Transit from TMMGT MX
Plant Changeover from Texas TMMTX to TMMGT Guanajuato
- 2022 Camry
Carryover, in dealers this month
- 2022 Venza
Carryover, in dealers February 2022
- 2022 RAV4
MMC, in dealers January 2022
- 2022 RAV4 Prime
MMC, in dealers February 2022
- 2022 C-HR
TBA in dealers February 2022
- 2022 Prius
Already In dealers
Last MY
- 2022 Corolla Cross
All new compact crossover I hinted at 2 years ago
In dealers October 2021 (as stated 2 years ago)
- 2022 Corolla Hatchback
Carryover, now in dealers
Last Pre-MMC year
- 2022 Corolla Sedan
Carryover, already in dealers
Last Pre-MMC year
- 2022 GR86
Moderate redesign, in dealers November 2021.
Heavily revised tophat, revised underpinnings, and new 2.4L Boxer.
First to Last
MY 2023:- 2023 Sequoia
Redesigned on TNGA-F and developed under 660B Program.
All New Engines and more
Built in Texas at TMMTX factory outside of San Antonio
Arrives in dealers in February 2022
- 2023 Tundra
TBD, arrives in dealers September 2022
- 2023 Camry
Arrives in September 2022
- 2023 4Runner
Carryover, arrives in October 2022. LAST MY of N280 built in Tahara, JAPAN!
- 2023 Tacoma
Carryover, arrives in October 2022
Last MY of N300 Pickup launched in September 2015 and MMCed Fall 2019
- 2023 Corolla Hatch
MMC, with GR performance version
Arrives in dealers in October 2022
- 2023 Sienna
Minor changes, arrives in dealers in October 2022
- 2023 C-HR
TBD, arrives in dealers in October 2022
- 2023 Highlander
MMC, arrives in November 2022
- 2023 Corolla Sedan
TBD, arrives in November 2022
- 2023 RAV4 Prime
Belated MMC?, arrives in November 2022
- 2023 Venza
TBD/Minor changes, arrives in December 2022
- 2023 RAV4
Belated MMC?, arrives in December 2022
- 2023 Corolla Cross
Carryover, arrives in December 2022
- 2023 BZ4x
All new Toyota EV co-engineered with Subaru, launching Q4 2022.
- 2023 Mirai
TBD, arrives in February 2023
- 2023 Prius
All new?, arrives in February 2023
- 2023 GR86
Carryover, arrives Q4 2022
MY2024
- 2024 Tacoma
All-new on TNGA-F, Launching Q4 2023/Q1 2024 (Job 1 Date varies)
Will update with more later
- 2024 Grand Highlander
Model Addition, Proj. Job 1 is June 2023 at TMMI and is being developed under 200D code. Lexus version is 220D, Proj. Job 1 of September 2023.
- 2024 1/2 Camry
Considered Major Model Change, utilizing a modified TNGA-K basis
Being developed under 380D solely at Toyota Technical Center Ann Arbor
Expect evolutionary changes.
March 2024 Job 1; Spring 2024 Launch
- 2024 1/2 4Runner
All-new redesigned 4Runner, on TNGA-F
In development since 2017 and delayed until spring 2024 from October 2022 launch. Proj. January 2024 Job 1, for March 2024 launch.
Will add 4Runner production to TMMGT in Mexico.
Will utilize turbo-4 and new THS.
- 2024 Tundra
- 2024 Sequoia
- 2024.5 Land Cruiser
- 2024 Corolla Cross
- 2024 Corolla Hatch
- 2024 Corolla Sedan
- 2024 Mirai
- 2024 Prius
- 2024 BZ4x
- 2024 Sienna
- 2024 Venza
- 2024 GR86
All of these dates above are subject to change during this pandemic and chip shortage, affecting factory output and delivery chains. I will update it when necessary.
KEY:
All new model or new addition, major model change on existing basis, Midcycle Model Change, Minor Changes or carryover.
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Please give me a few hours, the quoted will be edited in a few hours.
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