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Old 01-13-2019, 01:19 AM #1
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Haweka adapter solution to the shaking/wobbling at 60mph problem.

I'm having the same problem many people have with a 2015 SR5 at 65K miles that I just purchased. There is a lot of wobbling at around 60mph.

In this thread:Toyota 4Runner Questions - What will cause a steering wheel shimmy at 60-65mph other than tires, ... - CarGurus, there is mention of one possible solution, describing how a Road Force balance using a Haweka 6 pin adapter is required, because the wheels used on the 4Runner/Tacoma are “lug centric” and are not the more common “hub centric” wheels like on most cars and light trucks. Hub centric wheels are centered on the vehicle hubs using the center hole in the wheel. Has anyone had any luck with this?

I've tried about everything else I can to fix this wobble. New set of tires, 2 other balances, an alignment, new breaks and rotors, new suspension, and replacing all the ball joints. Nothing else has worked. Just looking for some glimmer of hope.


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Here is the problem. The wheels used on the 4Runner/Tacoma are “lug centric” and are not the more common “hub centric” wheels like on most cars and light trucks. Hub centric wheels are centered on the vehicle hubs using the center hole in the wheel. That is kind of simple. On lug centric wheels the wheels are centered on the vehicle hub using the lug bolt holes and not the center hole. When the wheels are made and machined they are done so using the lug holes to mount the wheels to the machines that make them. The lug holes are the true center of the wheel and not the center hole. So, if the center hole is not in the true center you can understand how mounting the wheel to the balance machine using the center hole is not going to work very well. The wheel needs to be mounted to the balance machine using the lugholes. This is done with a flange plate adapter made by Haweka. The wheels used on the 4Runner/Tacoma are “lug centric” and are not the more common “hub centric” wheels like on most cars and light trucks. Hub centric wheels are centered on the vehicle hubs using the center hole in the wheel. That is kind of simple. On lug centric wheels the wheels are centered on the vehicle hub using the lug bolt holes and not the center hole. When the wheels are made and machined they are done so using the lug holes to mount the wheels to the machines that make them. The lug holes are the true center of the wheel and not the center hole. So, if the center hole is not in the true center you can understand how mounting the wheel to the balance machine using the center hole is not going to work very well. The wheel needs to be mounted to the balance machine using the lugholes. This is done with a flange plate adapter made by Haweka. The front ends on the 4Runner and Tacoma are super sensitive. If you have something that is just slightly out of whack you will definitely know it on these trucks. If you have a vibration and believe it to be cause be the wheels and/or tires, then you should not waste your time by going to a shop with old technology. If your time is as valuable as mine then you should find a shop with the needed Haweka adapter, a GSP-9700, and a technician that has a clue. The easiest way to find what you need is to go this web site and use their shop locator function to get a list of shops near you that has one. Next call the shops and make sure that they have the Haweka adaptor for your wheels. If they tell you that they do not have it or don’t need it, then hang up and call the next shop. Do not waste your time with them. If they are willing to spend $10,000 on the state of the art road force balancer, and not get a set of Haweka adapters to go with it then they probably are not smart enough to work the machine anyway. When you find a shop that has both items make an appointment and have them do a road force variation work up and see if you need to replace your wheels or tires and then get a good old-fashioned balance. The combination of the GSP-9700 and the Haweka adaptor should cure the most common cause of vibration in the 4Runners and Tacomas. This combination will give you the greatest chance of getting you vibration problem fixed on the first visit as possible.

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I think one of the important questions to ask would be if your 4Runner has a factory wheel/tire package or not. They should be hub and wheel centric unless you have an aftermarket wheel that wasn't hub centric. At that point, you should be able to install hubrings to help center the wheel when installing. I have used them on countless aftermarket wheel sets on a variety of vehicles and almost always they get rid of any vibration you had if the wheel wasn't hubcentric.

Having used the Haweka centering plates to balance wheels myself, they are awesome and do a good job to make balancing easier and more accurate. The price is a bit high if you were buying the unit yourself (but worth it for a mechanic).

I would definitely suggest having them road-force balanced. I have seen wheels/tires that "balance" fine, but have a high road force and in turn vibrate at speed even though they "balanced".
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I think one of the important questions to ask would be if your 4Runner has a factory wheel/tire package or not. They should be hub and wheel centric unless you have an aftermarket wheel that wasn't hub centric. At that point, you should be able to install hubrings to help center the wheel when installing. I have used them on countless aftermarket wheel sets on a variety of vehicles and almost always they get rid of any vibration you had if the wheel wasn't hubcentric.

Having used the Haweka centering plates to balance wheels myself, they are awesome and do a good job to make balancing easier and more accurate. The price is a bit high if you were buying the unit yourself (but worth it for a mechanic).

I would definitely suggest having them road-force balanced. I have seen wheels/tires that "balance" fine, but have a high road force and in turn vibrate at speed even though they "balanced".
They are factory wheels with new tires, 265/70/17. This whole thing is honestly getting so frustrating. I called ten different tire places today and got 10 different answers about how this should be done. I called three different Les Schwab locations and got three very different answers, ranging from we've never heard of the adapter to we have one but you don't need it. The amount of misinformation between dealers, forums and tire shops is impossible to deal with. There's zero way to have any clue who actually knows what the hell they are talking about. All I know is my car still drives like shit. I'm going to go get it Road Force Elite balanced today at Les Schwab again but they have already told me they aren't going to use the Haweka adapter.

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They are factory wheels with new tires, 265/70/17. This whole thing is honestly getting so frustrating. I called ten different tire places today and got 10 different answers about how this should be done. I called three different Les Schwab locations and got three very different answers, ranging from we've never heard of the adapter to we have one but you don't need it. The amount of misinformation between dealers, forums and tire shops is impossible to deal with. There's zero way to have any clue who actually knows what the hell they are talking about. All I know is my car still drives like shit. I'm going to go get it Road Force Elite balanced today at Les Schwab again but they have already told me they aren't going to use the Haweka adapter.
Road force balancing may bring forward a true issue if the manufacturing of the tire is at fault.

Have you encouraged the technicians to drive the car after the balancing or are they simply balancing and giving it back to you?

I would strongly suggest telling the shop that they need to drive it and have the technician verify that there is no vibration before calling you to tell you its ready, insist that you do not want it back until it is fixed.
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I have a 2000 4Runner Limited. Bought 7 months ago. Vibrates at 65 MPH...This seems to be a huge problem!!! I've bought new tires, new rims, transmission mount, and had the tires balanced 50 times...Toyota needs to own up to this!
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I have a 2000 4Runner Limited. Bought 7 months ago. Vibrates at 65 MPH...This seems to be a huge problem!!! I've bought new tires, new rims, transmission mount, and had the tires balanced 50 times...Toyota needs to own up to this!
Have you brought it to a Toyota dealer for diagnostic? Or did you just fire up the parts cannon and start replacing?
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I have a 2000 4Runner Limited. Bought 7 months ago. Vibrates at 65 MPH...This seems to be a huge problem!!! I've bought new tires, new rims, transmission mount, and had the tires balanced 50 times...Toyota needs to own up to this!
Not saying this isn't a problem but a 2000? Damn thing is 18+ years old.
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