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Old 01-23-2017, 10:33 AM #211
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I had the VSC lights coming on intermittently, then recently, my ABS and check engine lights came on too. The zero point calibration procedure wouldn't work. I pulled some codes, which led me to replacing the stoplight switch ($32) and the gas cap ($13). I cleared all of the codes with some OBD-II software on my laptop and the check engine and ABS lights went off. Then the zero point calibration procedure worked on the 1st try and all of the lights have been off since. Thanks!!!
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Finally got mine sorted out and will very much like to thank everyone in this forum, you guys are great.

The Stealership was insisting that my Yaw Rate Sensor was bad and needed to be changed at a cost of $885 (parts only). I showed them a hard copy of the TSB but they also wanted to charge $133 for the Zero Point Re-calibration regardless if it was going to be helpful or not.

So I got a contact of one ex-Toyota Service Tech who now has his own shop, took my T4R to him and, in less than 5minutes, he got everything sorted at zero cost. Amazing!! had to give him something for beer though which he reluctantly obliged.

Took my ride out for a spin and the VSC now works again like a charm. phew!!!!
Did your friend ever tell you what the issue was and how he fixed it? Mine I think is doing the same thing and I really need help on solving this. I made a video with the issue:

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Here is my issue

I plugged in my OBD2 scanner and cleared a code I had when I forgot to plug one spark plug wire when changing my plugs one day so I cleared the code and then the VSC and TRAC light stay on and do not work. I cannot get them to shut off doing the Zero Point Calibration as described in the TSB. I am plugging the correct pins and everything. What my issue is that when I jump the pins 4 and 14 together four times in 8 seconds the TRAC OFF goes away and the ABS flashes while VSC TRAC stays lit. I cannot seem to complete the whole procedure. Anyone with helpful information please let me know. I made a video to show what I am talking about here:

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Please help.

So i honestly don't remember when or what caused my lights to come on, but they have been on for the past 8-9 months.

I tried this a little while ago, maybe 30 minutes. I followed the directions of TSB BR005-03 (I have a 2003 SR5 2WD V8) and I found that TSB On Toyota 120, and according to what I read since I have a 2003 I have the older protocol (the ISO instead of the CAN) and that is what TSB BR005-03's directions use, from what I understand.

Now after shorting it 4 times within 8 seconds, its the ABS light that flashes, not the VSC. The Trac light goes off.

Can someone tell me why it is the ABS light and not the VSC? After going through, turning it off after disconnecting, and turning it back in, off and reconnecting, the ABS light is the one quick flashing, when it should be the VSC.

PLEASE HELP! Any & all help is appreciated.
Hey did you ever figure out how to fix your issue? Mine is doing the exact same thing as you mentioned yours did and I cannot seem to figure out a solution. Please let me know what you did to fix yours I would really appreciate it!
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Lights on after replacing airbag sensor

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The fix: Perform the "zero point calibration" procedure as described in TSB BR001-04. This procedure can be performed without special equipment such as a hand-held tester or OBDII reader. You only need the equivalent of a jumper wire to short together two pins of the OBDII connector at the right time and the right number of times between switching the 4Runner on and off. More detail is included below, leveraged from my other posts.

BTW #1: Doing the sulfur TSB or others that require the replacement or reprogramming of the engine computer or the VSC computer will also require this calibration.

BTW #2: I verified that when the lights are on the VSC and traction control are indeed inoperative. ABS is working, though.

BTW #3: Shorting other pins (such as #13 Tc) at the right time can cause the appropriate dash indicators to blink in sequence to reveal trouble codes other than the OBDII ones. A generic OBDII code reader won't give you this data, and you need the service manual (physical or online) to make sense of it. I believe there is a specific code to tell you that the zero point calibration data has been lost, but I didn't look for it.

BTW #4: In the 4Runner of this vintage the OBDII connector pins populated are 4, 5, 7, 9, 13, 14, 15, 16

[Sorry about the long post, but I wanted to include the kind of information I'd want if I encountered this problem and wanted to feel comfortable fixing it myself]
Thank you for sharing this.

I did the 'Zero Calibration' procedure using just 2 wires. And it worked.

My VSC Trac Off lights came on after my airbag sensor was replaced at the dealership (recall service). I only noticed it the next day since my wife drove it home from the dealership. I went back to the dealership and they said I need to set a new appointment since they are fully booked that day.

This thread saved my day. Thanks again.

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Thanks, OP. I'll be damned, it worked on my '03! I got the lights shortly after installing the OBDLink with the Torque Pro app. Thrilled to get rid of those lights!


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Another successful clearing of lights post Torque pro and BT OBD reader install

I had picked up one of the OBDII blue tooth readers to play with the Torque App, immediately after installing it my vsc/atrc lights came on, I think ABS also flashed.

I did the gas cap and battery disconnect with no success

Then ran into the TSB, 5 minutes later the codes are gone, very easy

With the ign on, If you are looking at the OBD port, short Top Row 3rd pin from Left Side and 4th Bottom Row Pin from Right Side, do it more than 4 times...its ok

I used test lead with alligator clips, just bend a small paper clip in a V/U shape and it will stay put in the OBD port

Then follow the rest, the key is to watch for the rapid blinking of the VSC light towards the end of the procedure
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I am a woman with no mechanical ability, and my teenage daughter and I were able to do this together on my '04 T4R Ltd. I used two straightened paper clips, tapping or holding them together at the correct times while she handled the ignition on/off sequence. The Ts and CG pin slots are third from left on top and fourth from right on bottom. It didn't work the first few times because I missed that the wires should be connected before turning the ignition on the third time. And also I think it was easier to do with paper clips rather than (flexible) speaker wire that I used initially. The dealer said it would take about an hour and a half, at a minimum cost of $135 to do this, if they didn't find anything else wrong with the vehicle. I bet they do this all the time, and people never know it only takes a couple of minutes because they drop the vehicle off rather than wait around at the dealership for 90 minutes while the repairs are done. So happy to have found this post.

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the last two days Ive had the check engine, Vsc off and vsc trac lights on. Start it up this morning to take it to the dealer and the lights are no longer on. Having them check it anyways and will see if they get any codes before I let them do anything to it.

If the check engine light is on this could be more than just a reset?

Edit: code ended up being P0021 which they claim requires replacing timing belt.

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Zero point calibration procedure

The zero point calibration procedure listed in this thread worked like a charm, Wife is happy again
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Hello Team,


I got my 2004 4Runner 4.0 VSC TRAC & VSC OFF lights on. I have read through the detailed explanation below and will like do a 0 point calibration.

it all started when my battery went flat, strangely, the water in the battery had drained etc. long story short the battery was serviced and its been working since. the light came on when the mechanic used a diagnostic tool on the vehicle , something i didnt ask him to do.

I have read the information below about 6x, , cos i have not tech knowledge when it comes to this
  1. where do i get to download the referenced manual? i did a search and found another thread but cannot open the files from here. can you please share via dropbox if you it?
  2. Is there a step by step guide to do the calibration? i found this YouTube video, is it OK? is there a better video

i will be glad if i can get a little help here to fix this issue.

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If you suddenly have the "VSC TRAC" and "VSC OFF" lights in your dash, this post may help you fix the problem yourself. The information here applies to 4th gen 4Runners that use the ISO protocol rather than the newer CAN protocol for their OBDII interfaces to code readers, ECU programmers, hand-held testers, etc. The OBDII interface includes several different protocols (methods of digital communication) and they all use the same physical connector, though with some different pins. The connector is located at the bottom of the dash on the driver's side and in the 4Runner it's covered by a small black cap.

4Runners switched from ISO to CAN around 2005 though this information may also apply to newer 4Runners with some modification. That is, newer 4Runners may display trouble codes and reset sensor calibration values in response to the connection of different (than earlier 4Runners) pins together than the ones described below.

Several posters have discussed similar problems, described in several different threads. I'm reluctantly starting a new one, with a more specific title (including the exact name of the two trouble indicator lights), in the hope that searchers will more easily find a solution.

The specific behavior: On startup, the "VSC TRAC" and "VSC OFF" lights come on and stay on. The ABS light may or may not come on. On subsequent starts the lights will come on temporarily as usual (as a bulb check) and then go off. They come on again and stay on as soon as the 4Runner is moved. The "check engine" light does not come on. This behavior begins after the vehicle has been hooked to some sort of OBDII code reader or engine tester or data logger, etc. Though the lights are on, no standard OBDII problem codes are detected by a regular code reader.

Cause: The code reader or other OBDII device has attempted to communicate with the 4Runner using the CAN protocol (involving pin #14) and this has caused the 4Runner to erase the "zero point calibration" numbers in its memory. Without these numbers it can't get accurate information from the yaw rate and deceleration sensors (in the center console near the gearshift) and so it disables traction and stability control functions.

The fix: Perform the "zero point calibration" procedure as described in TSB BR001-04. This procedure can be performed without special equipment such as a hand-held tester or OBDII reader. You only need the equivalent of a jumper wire to short together two pins of the OBDII connector at the right time and the right number of times between switching the 4Runner on and off. More detail is included below, leveraged from my other posts.

Why this doesn't happen every time a code reader is used: The code readers usually use the pins and protocol of the OBDII connector in a specific sequence, trying first to establish communication with the vehicle using the oldest protocol. They then try the pins and protocol of newer protocol standards. Usually the code reader would be successful in its first try at establishing contact with the 4Runner using the ISO 9141-2 protocol, and there would be no problem. However these communications schemes are not foolproof and occasionally the ISO protocol attempt fails. Then the code reader tries newer protocols including CAN (controller area network). It's this CAN attempt, which toggles pin #14 (the CAN data pin) that accidentally tells the 4Runner to erase the existing zero point calibration data. Since the 4Runner (this vintage anyway) can't communicate by CAN protocol the tester re-tries the older protocols again and eventually succeeds in setting up communication by the right ISO protocol. But by then the calibration data has been erased.

The calibration, by the way, is simply a matter of telling the 4Runner VSC/TRAC computer "your yaw rate and deceleration rate are currently zero" and to save the associated values. Then the output from the sensors can be interpreted correctly.

Detail (may be helpful if you're going to do the calibration procedure yourself): The SST (special service tool #09843-18040) specified in the service manual appears to be essentially a Y-shaped test lead and is variously called a "jumper wire" or "diagnostic check wire." It's used in this case to repeatedly connect and disconnect the chassis ground (CG, pin #4) and Ts (pin #14) terminals of the OBDII connector (referred to as DLC3 in Toyota-speak). The connection/disconnection sequence and timing are described in the service manual and in several TSBs. OBDII connector diagram and pin descriptions are in TSB BR005-03.

Since the OBDII connector is at the lower edge of the dash and pointing down (right above your left foot when you're sitting in the driver's seat) it's rather tough to reach in and do the shorting to the appropriate terminals of the OBDII connector with a test lead. Especially since you're supposed to avoid moving or shaking the vehicle when you're doing this. BTW, the OBDII connector usually has a black snap-on cover over it to keep out grit, etc.

Therefore I took a couple of pieces of insulated wire about 24" long each and taped them alongside each other, and stripped both ends. To make the wire fit securely in the (female) terminals of the OBDII connector I soldered a 3/8" length of metal (cut from a heavy paper clip) to one end of each of the wires. I chose a pin size so that would fit securely in the female terminals of the OBDII connector but wouldn't distort them. I used some heat shrink tubing around the solder joint to reduce any chance of accidental shorting.

After plugging the two pins into the OBDII connector (with the other ends held apart) I was able to hold the other ends of the two wires in my hands and touch them together at the appropriate times to connect the pins of the OBDII connector. I had a helper in the passenger seat to read the instructions from the TSB to me in sequence.

This is not very hard to do, and one need only be careful. It's easier to do with the Toyota OBDII tester, of course, and would only take 5 minutes. You might be able to get your dealer to do it gratis, but you might also be charged some minimum labor hour rate.

BTW #1: Doing the sulfur TSB or others that require the replacement or reprogramming of the engine computer or the VSC computer will also require this calibration.

BTW #2: I verified that when the lights are on the VSC and traction control are indeed inoperative. ABS is working, though.

BTW #3: Shorting other pins (such as #13 Tc) at the right time can cause the appropriate dash indicators to blink in sequence to reveal trouble codes other than the OBDII ones. A generic OBDII code reader won't give you this data, and you need the service manual (physical or online) to make sense of it. I believe there is a specific code to tell you that the zero point calibration data has been lost, but I didn't look for it.

BTW #4: In the 4Runner of this vintage the OBDII connector pins populated are 4, 5, 7, 9, 13, 14, 15, 16

[Sorry about the long post, but I wanted to include the kind of information I'd want if I encountered this problem and wanted to feel comfortable fixing it myself]
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vsc light

Nice info in thread. But m 2004 my 2004 has a different pic confiquration. pins 4,5,7,13,14,15,16, are populated. any recomedations for this ? Thanks Ray
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Just got my '04 SR5 V8 last week and so far very happy with it.

This morning after starting the VSC TRAC & ABS light remained illuminated. I went forward and they shut off. I thought nothing of it at first. After work I started it up and the lights came on again, went off, and on again several times then remained on.

Came home and did a search and found this thread.

I remembered yesterday I took the 4R to emissions inspection where they most likely hooked up something to the OBDII port, erasing the zero point.

I preformed the zero point calibration as instructed on the thread link above and VOILA! lights went out. Went for a test drive and lights stayed off.

A big THANK YOU for this forum and for people sharing their knowledge!
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well, I realized this happened during the 31 degree morning here. I tried the paperclip thing over and over again. Finally pulled the negative lead and wiped down my SE rims. Back to normal.
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