MarkinWMich
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2016 Toyota Tacoma Diesel - New Toyota Cars 2015 2016
Not a 4Runner, but I like the Tacoma, as well.
Not a 4Runner, but I like the Tacoma, as well.
2016 Tacoma Diesel
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Not doubting the possibility of a diesel in the revised Tacoma, but that article is BS. Nothing but conjecture and lists of "new" features which the current model already has.
Regarding the diesel possibility, it pains me that all these companies are on the verge of dropping some small diesel options in the NA market right at the time the cost of diesel in proportion to gas eradicates any economy benefits.
Just filled up my Cummins powered Ram the other day for almost .70 more per gallon than the fuel in our other vehicles.
Regarding the diesel possibility, it pains me that all these companies are on the verge of dropping some small diesel options in the NA market right at the time the cost of diesel in proportion to gas eradicates any economy benefits.
Just filled up my Cummins powered Ram the other day for almost .70 more per gallon than the fuel in our other vehicles.
MarkinWMich
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I just caught a little "blip" on my MSN home page where France will no longer be selling diesels due to their excessive emissions. I am not sure if that is going to change anything given how people in that area border cross all the time, but whatever...
I know that this "low sulfur" diesel takes a little more work at the refinery, but there was a time in this country when diesel was about 1/2 the price of gasoline. I am just curious why such a price hike over the years? I like the idea of clean burning, turbo diesel...they're great engines if you know how to take care of them.
TRDCal
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This: 2016 Toyota Tacoma Mule Photographed Inside and Out - Motor Trend WOT is the only "article" i've seen that seems to have any truth. There's not much too it but the pictures are the interesting part. It's got a dash like the Tundra and seems like they kept the manual transmission which I'm stoked about, hoping its better than the current one tho.
I can't see Toyota releasing a brand new truck with a brand new (to us) diesel engine that's never seen North American roads in a market that's not so diesel friendly. I see the diesel coming in more as a mid gen refresh. My money is on the engine being a 1gr with dual VVTI with direct injection.
How do you figure it "eradicates any ecomony benefits"? Take the Ram 1500 as an example. With the V8 your probably getting 17-20MPG. The 3.0 diesel gets 27-30MPG. So yes your gallon of gas cost 70 cents more, but it took you an extra 10 miles while providing more torque. 70 cents for 10 miles, that's moped prices!
I can't see Toyota releasing a brand new truck with a brand new (to us) diesel engine that's never seen North American roads in a market that's not so diesel friendly. I see the diesel coming in more as a mid gen refresh. My money is on the engine being a 1gr with dual VVTI with direct injection.
How do you figure it "eradicates any ecomony benefits"? Take the Ram 1500 as an example. With the V8 your probably getting 17-20MPG. The 3.0 diesel gets 27-30MPG. So yes your gallon of gas cost 70 cents more, but it took you an extra 10 miles while providing more torque. 70 cents for 10 miles, that's moped prices!
How do you figure it "eradicates any ecomony benefits"? Take the Ram 1500 as an example. With the V8 your probably getting 17-20MPG. The 3.0 diesel gets 27-30MPG. So yes your gallon of gas cost 70 cents more, but it took you an extra 10 miles while providing more torque. 70 cents for 10 miles, that's moped prices!
You're not taking the initial cost premium of a diesel option into account. Using your example of the 1/2 ton Ram (and your figures), it would take roughly 200k miles of driving at today's fuel prices to break even.
Now that being said, I love a diesel and there are plenty of benefits (some practical, some intangible) which make it worthwhile as an enthusiast but your average driver doing the math is not going to be impressed. That is a recipe for the failure of small-mid sized diesel trucks in the US market imo...
I'm no authority on the economics of the current price differential. My gut feeling is a relatively minor increase in refining costs has translated to a serious increase at the pump because the overwhelming majority of diesel users are commercial, and have limited options in reducing consumption unlike private individuals who can change habits to reduce fuel usage.
TRDCal
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Good point...not much of an argument when you put it like that. I guess you would have to include personal benefits to make its worth the extra money. I just can't stand the thought of a hybrid truck so I'll take a diesel anyday!
Agreed!
Although, playing devil's advocate, there were some concept diesel electric full size trucks a while back which were intriguing (think locomotive:hatsoff
Jernik
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:spy: My "Tinfoil Hat" conspiracy theory is that back when gasoline jumped to $5 + per gallon and the public was loudly screaming for more diesel options, the prices were raised to shut everybody up and stifle the demand for diesel engines. That's about the time the price jumped for diesel. Probably coincidental with other factors, but conspiracy theories are more fun! lol
eep:Just so you guys are aware.....
2016 Toyota Tacoma Image Revealed Ahead of Detroit - Motor Trend WOT
2016 Toyota Tacoma Image Revealed Ahead of Detroit - Motor Trend WOT
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