ric
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X2 but who am I :shrug:
Grade Obama`s first year
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X2 but who am I :shrug:
RonMAIDEN
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So,even if he was doing a good job and was turning this country around would any of you Republicans give credit where credit is due or since he's a Democrat you'll never acknowledge any good just like some Democrats I know concerning Republicans? I don't care what party is in office if they can get us out of the decline we have been in for the last decade.
I know too many people that diss on the president simply for race reasons and that's simply moronic and an unfair judgment.
I know too many people that diss on the president simply for race reasons and that's simply moronic and an unfair judgment.
Good point. It is very difficult to change someone's mind about a subjective topic, especially politics.
I think I would...but then again, I dont consider myself a Republican....or a Democrat....and my votes often reflect that fact.
ric
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I most certainly would.. I dont give a shXX if your a republican, democrat, black, white, asian straight, gay, whatevery, as long as your a (in this case) a US citizen, if you do good, Ill say, if you suck, Ill say. :thumb3:
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Mark86
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Actually, the majority of my NY/NJ buddies are liberals and I get along just fine with them. We have our disagreements but our political discussions are civil In the end, we agree to disagree. Even though I saw through Obama and kind of knew what was going to happen from the beginning, I tried to have an open mind at the beginning. Honestly, I feel he is even worse than what I imagined at the beginning.
Backwoodsboy
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This is why a chose to keep out of most political discussions. I have learned that even when agreeing can turn into an argument. But we have that right to speak our mind and one should not be critisized for his/her polictical view. so in the end state your piece and move on unless this has become more of a debate? Seems to be unfair for one to defend himself to what looks to be most of the forum. My $.02
priestsallore
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heheheh... :flamethrwoer2: if only... *ponders*
Oboma honestly is a socialist & needs to be taken out of office, before he makes more of a downfall of this country.
God bless America, & all the people of our nation.
Theothertyler
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The fact that the results show the same basic distribution for all the sections with the exception of Iraq and Afghanistan would lead me to believe that there's not much thought going into the people voting. I understand it's pretty far from a scientific vote, but statistically it's worth pointing out. I also find it interesting that the President's Foreign Policy grade was much worse than his grades for the two foreign wars he inherited.
Some of the categories are sort of odd too. How can someone honestly grade on the "Threat of Terrorism"? Does anyone, Congress, the President, the SCOTUS, or even the FBI/CIA control the "Threat of Terrorism"?
Also grading one person on "Bipartisanship" seems like an odd proposition. Even so, two of the biggest pieces of legislation passed during this term were the Healthcare Bill and the Jobs Bill. When everyone talks about how "partisan" the President has been, no one brings up the Jobs Bill that had wide Republican support.
That said, he gets a no grade on bipartisanship, social issues, and threat of terrorism. I'd give Obama a B for Economy, Incomplete for Foreign Policy, Iraq, Afghanistan, A for energy (embracing nuclear power and guaranteeing loans for new reactors, which I'm surprised most of you don't support, not to mention clean coal and offshore drilling), B for healthcare (which had many republican ideas, but no republican votes), and overall I'd give him a B.
There are many philosophical differences that I have with the President and Democrats currently in office. And I do agree with what Thai said that we may not know the ultimate costs of his presidency for a few years. He has made tough decisions that have pissed off conservatives, and tough decisions that have pissed off liberals. To me, this is one indication that Obama is not the left-wing socialist he is painted here and elsewhere.
Some of the categories are sort of odd too. How can someone honestly grade on the "Threat of Terrorism"? Does anyone, Congress, the President, the SCOTUS, or even the FBI/CIA control the "Threat of Terrorism"?
Also grading one person on "Bipartisanship" seems like an odd proposition. Even so, two of the biggest pieces of legislation passed during this term were the Healthcare Bill and the Jobs Bill. When everyone talks about how "partisan" the President has been, no one brings up the Jobs Bill that had wide Republican support.
That said, he gets a no grade on bipartisanship, social issues, and threat of terrorism. I'd give Obama a B for Economy, Incomplete for Foreign Policy, Iraq, Afghanistan, A for energy (embracing nuclear power and guaranteeing loans for new reactors, which I'm surprised most of you don't support, not to mention clean coal and offshore drilling), B for healthcare (which had many republican ideas, but no republican votes), and overall I'd give him a B.
There are many philosophical differences that I have with the President and Democrats currently in office. And I do agree with what Thai said that we may not know the ultimate costs of his presidency for a few years. He has made tough decisions that have pissed off conservatives, and tough decisions that have pissed off liberals. To me, this is one indication that Obama is not the left-wing socialist he is painted here and elsewhere.
t4r4life
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amen
Backwoodsboy
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I haven't been here that long and don't want to get to involved in a heated debate which I thought was a poll.
2 things that I do not understand is giving Obama an appllause for nucular power and off shore drilling?
As for nucular power it is a great way to go but seening as how Yucca Mountain which is where nucular waste is stored was closed ( by Obama) we have no where to store waste now.Which may change 20yrs from now when the plants are built. But here in Wisconsin we have atleast 1 Nucular power plant that has been sitting idel for 20-30yrs that the Feds will not let us get up and running.
And as for exploration of off shore drilling of Virginia's coast which they believe there is only enough oil to last the U.S. 3 days,(which will take 15+ years for all the paperwork stuff) and then closing off areas we know there is oil. The federal Gov. owns some of the oil richest lands in the U.S. A good friend of mine's brother lives in TX and gets paid enough per year by the feds that he doesn't have to work just to not drill oil on his land.
So as I like the idea of forward movement in these areas it is hard to see how it will all work out in the end.
Thank you for your time
2 things that I do not understand is giving Obama an appllause for nucular power and off shore drilling?
As for nucular power it is a great way to go but seening as how Yucca Mountain which is where nucular waste is stored was closed ( by Obama) we have no where to store waste now.Which may change 20yrs from now when the plants are built. But here in Wisconsin we have atleast 1 Nucular power plant that has been sitting idel for 20-30yrs that the Feds will not let us get up and running.
And as for exploration of off shore drilling of Virginia's coast which they believe there is only enough oil to last the U.S. 3 days,(which will take 15+ years for all the paperwork stuff) and then closing off areas we know there is oil. The federal Gov. owns some of the oil richest lands in the U.S. A good friend of mine's brother lives in TX and gets paid enough per year by the feds that he doesn't have to work just to not drill oil on his land.
So as I like the idea of forward movement in these areas it is hard to see how it will all work out in the end.
Thank you for your time
CSL
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1) It's human nature to focus on bad experiences not good; we generally have to be "reminded" in life to praise as opposed to scold...this goes for training dogs, raising kids and about everything else in life. A poll like this doesn't really measure much, as only those willing to take the time and interest to respond are recorded. When we are happy we are less likely to talk about it as opposed to when we are mad. When's the last time you came home and eagerly told your spouse about the nice person who waved you over when you put your blinker on--NEVER. But you damn well told her all about the A-hole that cut you off! Same principle. Human nature.
2) You can't measure the "quality" of anything without a baseline of comparison. You can say "is this a cup of sugar?" and get an answer without a comparison because it is a quantity measurement. You can't say "how good is this sugar" unless you compare it to other sugar you have had in the past. One can't be expected to judge the quality of a president without a comparitive to a baseline, be that Bush, or Reagan or Lincoln. It just how it is. That is the nature of a "grade". It is a comparison to an average. An average is derived from a other peoples attempts at doing the same thing.
You can't win a race that you run alone. You have to compare your results to those of the other racers to measure your success.
I have no problem with Obama that I haven't had with any other president, therefore I will follow human nature an not vote. Besides, my vote would be of a comparison nature...but to what baseline, I don't know.
I am glad that something is happening with healthcare, I am employed and still have $750/month come out of my check to insure my family. I'll bet that's more than some folks on here pay for rent.
2) You can't measure the "quality" of anything without a baseline of comparison. You can say "is this a cup of sugar?" and get an answer without a comparison because it is a quantity measurement. You can't say "how good is this sugar" unless you compare it to other sugar you have had in the past. One can't be expected to judge the quality of a president without a comparitive to a baseline, be that Bush, or Reagan or Lincoln. It just how it is. That is the nature of a "grade". It is a comparison to an average. An average is derived from a other peoples attempts at doing the same thing.
You can't win a race that you run alone. You have to compare your results to those of the other racers to measure your success.
I have no problem with Obama that I haven't had with any other president, therefore I will follow human nature an not vote. Besides, my vote would be of a comparison nature...but to what baseline, I don't know.
I am glad that something is happening with healthcare, I am employed and still have $750/month come out of my check to insure my family. I'll bet that's more than some folks on here pay for rent.
I can understand how that is frustrating....but it sounds like your employer did not do a very good job of negotiating a good health insurance (remember, this new bill is about insurance, not care) plan for you and the other employees. The blame should reside with your employer, not the insurance provider...
