Vegas Shooting

Through independent studies based on many laws to include a 10 year ban on certain weapons and components that were classified as the most dangerous.



And it's highly likely that far more would have been used criminally HAD THEY NOT BEEN BANNED or somehow limited and been more easily accessible.

I agree that a ban or limitation will never stop all, but I'll take "many" any day.

Obviously can't be measured but common sense dictates.......except on here.

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Gun ownership isn't a privilege that can be casually revoked by a liberal majority though......it's a Constitutional RIGHT! In fact, the second one written to show the import of it's content. One could say freedom of speech causes ''strife'' for some folks so maybe it's in need of more controls and restrictions. Even if EVERY offensive thought can't be blocked from the public domain.......if SOME of it can be censored it's worth it! Do you see how absurd that is?!:der:
 
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Obviously can't be measured but common sense dictates.......except on here.

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Genuinely curious what you mean here - I get your point if referring to nonviolent crime or no parking signs but don't think the mental state it takes to do something this heinous will have the slightest respect for the rules
 
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Gun ownership isn't a privilege that can be casually revoked by a liberal majority though......it's a Constitutional RIGHT! In fact, the second one written to show the import of it's content. One could say freedom of speech causes ''strife'' for some folks so maybe it's in need of more controls and restrictions. Even if EVERY offensive thought can't be blocked from the public domain.......if SOME of it can be censored it's worth it! Do you see how absurd that is?!:der:

The same folks trying to dismantle 2A are trying the same with 1A also. Most of the BOR has been under attack for quite some time.

The very reason why the Constitution and Bill of Rights exists is because the founders of this country recognized that there will always be Goverments no matter how well intended who always seek to undermine those basic principles with the intent to have greater control over the general populace.

Most folks these days are willing to give up their rights for the false promise of safety and protection. Blind or dissident to the fact that safety is an illusion promised to subjugate the weak into compliance and servitude.

Those who believe anyone else but themselves is or can be in charge of their own safety is fooling themselves.

What some people believe to be "common sense" is absolutely delusional to me and I'm sure it's vice versa.

That's the beauty of living in a country with the individual Liberty and Freedom it was founded upon. We get to do what WE believe is right as individuals.

It's a complex problem, violence is. We should focus on logical solutions where the very Rights this country was founded upon aren't destroyed and implement legislation that actually may have a positive impact on the issue.

Mental illness absolutely needs to be meaningfully addressed and people who commit crimes with guns need to be punished severely.

A good start would be eliminating the war on drugs that has fueled the illicit drug trade and the gang violence.

If the laws already on the books were followed and DA's and judges didn't reduce sentences it would have a meaningful impact.

Knee jerk emotional reactions to complex problems will not solve anything.

I know we can come together as a society and pass mutually agreeable legislation that doesn't erode the rights of anyone and makes a positive impact on the real issue.
 
Just checking in to see how this thread is going. Seems about as expected.



Your points seem pretty spot on to me.

http://freakonomics.com/podcast/how-to-think-about-guns-a-new-freakonomics-radio-podcast/

I've posted this before and I'll repost it because it's important. What happens when two liberal npr mathematicians decide to deep dive into the truth about guns? Might be surprising to some but after running all the numbers it turns out most of the traditional liberal arguments against guns are flat wrong. This is a good podcast episode to listen to. Audio available on the website linked.

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I just read the book and watched a couple of podcasts for a college assignment, kinda crazy to hear about it just hours after I finished it.

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Interestingly it’s getting close to 24 hours since a lone gunman killed 58 people and wounded hundreds more but this forum is silent on the topic. There are 2665 posts on the firearms thread but none on the killings by a 64 year old retired millionaire real estate investor with no criminal background or history. He’s a Nevada resident with no religious or political affiliations or relationship to extremists or ideologies. His target was Country Music fans that he plotted to kill in great numbers as he successfully did while holed up in a hotel with a number of powerful guns.

What gives folks? Nothing to say? Don’t give a damn? I’m confused, please enlighten me why this isn’t worth a mention in our “off topic” area that includes topics on just about everything. I wonder if there would be comments if the shooter was black? Or Muslim? Or Latino? Do we need someone yelling Alhau Akubar for it to be considered terrorism? Why isn’t this domestic terrorism?

The deadliest massacre in American history is an 'act of pure evil' and doesn’t get a comment. WTF.

It's interesting these posts come up each time a nut job does anything with a gun. Until we address the nut job, these things will keep happening. I think the reason for the lack of posts is that it isn't a firearms issue, it's a mental health or social issue. Nobody wants to say that we need to reinstate mental hospitals or that people need to learn to suck it up, life is a hard. By blaming the gun, you're skirting the underlying social problem. The idea that you can eliminate anything like the Vegas incident by enhancing laws related to firearms is asinine bordering on ignorant.

That said, I have zero intention of giving up a Constitutional right because people have an irrational fear of an inanimate object. Make no mistake, my firearms are not for hunting and my 'target practice' is to increase my proficiency in hitting my target. As a last-line of defensive tool, I'm going to make damn sure I know how to use it to defend myself and the ones I love.
 
And it's highly likely that far more would have been used criminally HAD THEY NOT BEEN BANNED or somehow limited and been more easily accessible.

I agree that a ban or limitation will never stop all, but I'll take "many" any day.

Obviously can't be measured but common sense dictates.......except on here.

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well, except for the fact crime in general went down when the ban was lifted...
 
Well, inevitably, this will turn into political and gun control arguments...and thus, frowned upon here.

Hotels on the strip have been sold out for weeks...so, he planned this well in advance. Weapons likely have been illegally converted with scopes and tripod. Door to hotel room barricaded. This was meticulously planned down to the details.

This seems weird for someone who just "snapped." Girlfriend conveniently overseas with money sent to someone in the Philippines weeks in advance.

He is a converted Muslim with the help of his Indonesia (likely Muslim) girlfriend from what i understand. ISIS claim responsibility. This was a terror attack by an Muslim fanatic with allegiance to ISIS.

Homegrown terror if you will. This is the biggest problem for FBI/NSA.

There isn't really much else to discuss IMO. USA needs to handle this like any other terror attack on our soil. This is a reminder of our enemy. No releasing of doves or useless hashtags or more ignorant celebs talking about open borders. We need to strike back at ISIS.

Talk about being ahead of the game - well done:usa2:
 

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