Samm25
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Correct me if I’m wrong but if he tries to gas it too much wouldn’t it flood the engine?
Not at all trying to be a smart A. Genuinely curious
911 Dead on the road at a gas station pulling a camper
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Correct me if I’m wrong but if he tries to gas it too much wouldn’t it flood the engine?
Not at all trying to be a smart A. Genuinely curious
81runner
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I would think with an electronic throttle body, maybe? Old school cable drawn butterfly on the TB would definitely flood if there was no spark to ignite fuel.
Unplug the maf with the vehical off, this will force it into open loop and ignore learned fuel trims. Now try and start the truck and see what happens. Of course make sure the battery is full. 12v does not mean it's good. You need to load test it and make sure it has good amps behind that 12v. I feel this issue should not be hard to diagnose for a shop with a good mechanic.
Does the key symbol on the dash by chance flash? This could indicate a immobilizer issue. Also, if the alarm has a kill in it, it could be triggered to the fuel pump. Have the shop disable the alarm for testing.
Does the key symbol on the dash by chance flash? This could indicate a immobilizer issue. Also, if the alarm has a kill in it, it could be triggered to the fuel pump. Have the shop disable the alarm for testing.
Seasparrow
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Also possibly starter resistor
I think on some cars the ignition is fired by energizing the coil from the starter circuit and returns to normal ignition system when key is released. I think you can bypass it though to check.
That or ignition switch or MAF is my bet.
I think on some cars the ignition is fired by energizing the coil from the starter circuit and returns to normal ignition system when key is released. I think you can bypass it though to check.
That or ignition switch or MAF is my bet.
gm350reratliff
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I would double check all the connections of the immobilizer bypass for the remote start. If those connections are bad it will not start either way. I would also check the connections at the main ignition harness in the steering column.
Edit: just saw you got it going. Good to hear!
Drunner97
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Killed the battery trying to get it to start too many times. Battery had time to recharge a bit overnight.
kingofthehill
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My brothers Chevy had a similar issue when his crankshaft position sensor failed. It would be driving fine then die while driving. He then tried to start it and it would immediately die. He would let the vehicle set for a day or 2 and then it would start and run fine only to die while driving again.
Slowgoat
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Interesting outcome.
Glad you got it!
I had an old POS Ranger that would short out, the entire car, electrical, radio, headlights, engine, everything, when I’d hit a medium or larger bump.
I checked everything. Checking and checking on my day off.
I used to shake random wires on the harness with the truck running.
One day I shook the master ground wire for the twentieth time, but I was violent about it.
The truck blinked off.
The master ground wire had rubbed and a short developed making the entire electrical system short out.
A little electrical tape and I never had that problem again.
Your interesting story brought me back. These odd ones are almost always electrical.
Glad you are back on the road!
Glad you got it!
I had an old POS Ranger that would short out, the entire car, electrical, radio, headlights, engine, everything, when I’d hit a medium or larger bump.
I checked everything. Checking and checking on my day off.
I used to shake random wires on the harness with the truck running.
One day I shook the master ground wire for the twentieth time, but I was violent about it.
The truck blinked off.
The master ground wire had rubbed and a short developed making the entire electrical system short out.
A little electrical tape and I never had that problem again.
Your interesting story brought me back. These odd ones are almost always electrical.
Glad you are back on the road!
Cammer
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Outstanding! Glad to hear you got it fixed.
I'm feeling stupid because I was going to respond yesterday and mention that exact same thing because it happened to me 5 days ago, but when you said it would no longer crank I didn't think that could be it. A wire retainer broke and the harness slowly pushes out against the harness. Curious what the repair cost you? Cost me almost $450.
AuSeeker
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Glad to hear they found the issue, BUT very courious to hear the latest update, did the wiring harness issue cause any other issues, are you back on the road yet?
alpinhi
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Im sorry it has taken me forever to respond, I honestly got carried away when we got home and forgot. I do want to thank everyone who responded to my post. That was the first time I have been in situation like that and not been able to fix it or patch it up to get us moving again and everyones input was awesome! It took sometime for me to come up with a hypothesis on why it died at the gas station when we stopped and not on the highway. I think the wiring was making contact with the belt at low speeds, when we got on the highway the air moving from the combination of the air moving from the road and the blowing air from the fan kept the wiring harness up and did not let the wires touch. When we stopped the harness laid back down causing the exposed wires to make contact and short. This caused me to become very tunnel visioned on the fuel stop and what changed since we stopped. This my first Toyota and its taken me awhile to get accustomed to and learn about the truck. I really appreciate everyones help here and will try to pay it forward! Now Im preparing a trip Ouray Colorado!
alpinhi
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Yes it was done in March, along with the AC compressor. When the mechanic installed the new compressor the CSP harness ended up on the wrong side of the compressor allowing it to make contact with the serpentine. :tsk::tsk:
alpinhi
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No other issues at all, the truck is up and going. The AC compressor was replaced before I left and the CSP harness was reinstalled on the wrong side of the compressor allowing it to make contact on the serpentine belt.
alpinhi
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I don't either, the battery was load tested and good. I think when it would crank this would cause the wires to move and at some point the the short was bad enough or the wires were in just the right spot that the CPU would not allow it to crank over. The thing was completely dead for 2 1/2 hours until the wrecker arrived but cranked over when it was unloaded.:wtf:
If anyone has an 01 to 07 Caravan/Town and Country they have terrible grounds. Most of the issues with the 2 t&c's I've had spurred from the ground not welded to the frame well and rusting off.
