TexasFunRunner
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Come on, spill it, any half founded rumor at this point is better than all the silence.
Best speculation of a 2023 6th generation I have seen
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DAW89446
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Hybrid powertrain?
I'll stay with my current model. Don't want to be a beta tester in the places I take my 4Runner.
TexasFunRunner
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Well look what Toyota cooked up, it seems they have started the new Land Cruiser teaser campaign. This is the 2000 Retro Land Cruiser design concept, I've never seen this pic before, for you FJ people, is this what inspired the FJ Cruiser?
Toyota USA - Turn of the century. #TBT 2000 Retro Land Cruiser | Facebook
Here's hoping the new upcoming 2024/25 Land Cruiser is half as cool as this, I have it on good authority that the LC launch has been delayed from December 2023 to late March/early April 2024, oh well, delays are to be expected in any development program.
Toyota USA - Turn of the century. #TBT 2000 Retro Land Cruiser | Facebook
Here's hoping the new upcoming 2024/25 Land Cruiser is half as cool as this, I have it on good authority that the LC launch has been delayed from December 2023 to late March/early April 2024, oh well, delays are to be expected in any development program.
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If the new Land Cruiser is anything like this, it would be an instant buy. I know a lot of people are clamoring for removable doors and roofs but for me the sacrifice in NVH is not worth the benefit.
A Land Cruiser with good approach and departure angles, front and rear lockers, and the ability to size up to 35s with minimal modifications would all huge selling points and would differentiate itself from other BoF Toyotas. Without being hit with the ugly stick that is Lexus.
Jetboy
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Before you get too excited - remember that that concept turned into this product:
It really doesn't need to be an either/or between removeable top and not. Many cars have had both options. But also it's exceedingly unlikely IMO that a new model will have a removeable top. I don't think Toyota has sold a removeable top SUV anywhere in the world since Bill Clinton was in office. I don't think there have been any convertible toyota models in any category since the Avalon coupe.
It really doesn't need to be an either/or between removeable top and not. Many cars have had both options. But also it's exceedingly unlikely IMO that a new model will have a removeable top. I don't think Toyota has sold a removeable top SUV anywhere in the world since Bill Clinton was in office. I don't think there have been any convertible toyota models in any category since the Avalon coupe.
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LimeLED
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I think the current Lexus LC500 Convertible is the only convertible Toyota offers today.Before you get too excited - remember that that concept turned into this product:
It really doesn't need to be an either/or between removeable top and not. Many cars have had both options. But also it's exceedingly unlikely IMO that a new model will have a removeable top. I don't think Toyota has sold a removeable top SUV anywhere in the world since Bill Clinton was in office. I don't think there have been any convertible toyota models in any category since the Avalon coupe.
nimby
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This was the info that I was going to share as well.
Sorry for the delay. Crazy storm came through my neighborhood and I didn't have power for a week.
LimeLED
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Bummer. I wonder if this will delay the 4Runner as well? Would Toyota want to launch both of them at roughly the same time?
TexasFunRunner
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Yes, the 2025 4Runner has moved out again, not unexpected for new development.
The Reveal should be in the spring 2024 time frame.
Start of production should be in the summer of 2024 time frame.
First delivers launch should be in the fall of 2024 time frame.
The whole offroad/overland fad will be done by the time they actually release these things. Then Toyota Japan will decide it was a bad idea to develop them when in actuality they screwed it up with all these delays.
Today I saw a Mitsubishi crossover with puddle lights and a canopy that you wouldn't even be able to stand underneath. He still probably gets offroad more than I do. LOL
Before people jump on me, I know people will still go offroading and its not a fad to many of you, but we should all realize that this current boon isn't going to last forever.
Today I saw a Mitsubishi crossover with puddle lights and a canopy that you wouldn't even be able to stand underneath. He still probably gets offroad more than I do. LOL
Before people jump on me, I know people will still go offroading and its not a fad to many of you, but we should all realize that this current boon isn't going to last forever.
nimby
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If I'm not mistaken, this 6th gen timeline that you mention above has been established for a while now and hasn't been moved because of the Land Cruiser being delayed.
Originally, yes, the 6th gen was thought to come out in early 2024 so its timeline has moved but not because of the Land Cruiser.......as far as I'm aware.
TexasFunRunner
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Thank you for the clarification, I must have misinterpreted the previous "Spring 2024" as when customer deliveries would start. I was trying to break out the three key milestones of Reveal, Start of Production and First Delivers with time brackets for each (knowing schedule slips can still happen) in order to help bring clarity to the process.
Blackwatch
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If the launch of the LC in North America is being delayed until the spring of 2024 it would put it pretty close to the reveal of the 2025 4Runner. If I were Toyota I would want a full year of the LC being out before the 6th gen 4Runner is revealed. A decade plus of pent up anticipation could get a lot of people to splurge early on a LC that is $15,000+ more. If the consumers are given the choice of both vehicles at relatively the same time it could diminish the LC sales.
2026 4Runner?
2026 4Runner?
I owe it to the members of this forum, to declare I have indeed been tricked by some people at Toyota Motor North America and at least 1 of their Tier 1 suppliers, over the last 4+ months regarding the 2024 Toyota Tacoma "debuting" on Tuesday, April 4, 2023.
I don't believe that the V6 carries over nor the fact on Tacoma World, that now-deleted Tier 1 supplier poster (DJinTN) possibly told me false information, on how the 2.7L I4 would continue for 2 years. Then he disappeared into thin air...(sighs)
Refused to answer any further questions regarding 2GR in private, cutting me off and then vanished before I respond in kind. He's not the only one...
Also, I admit that I might have overreacted to a post in this forum a few pages back, my previous one. The core points I intended to make, I still stand behind them. I was quite livid at the implication I am lying about the future of the 4Runner and making shit up. I've thankfully seen the proof otherwise. They've delayed it multiple times internally, but are still committed to the nameplate and Land Cruiser too.
Unlike my bad powertrain info, 4Runner info doesn't appear to be shared in bad faith, like with powertrain info on the Tacoma. Something very embarrassing to face, considering the hard time I give David Chao at Automotive Press. I didn't see it coming, seeing as I took a very conservative approach prior to December 2022 on discussing all insight, especially powertrain details.
Now, although my other Tier 1 source has done his best to keep me informed on the 4Runner, I am not sure I trust his (good faith) insight on the production shift to Mexico for the 2025 4Runner.
Source doesn't even have the program codes. They get the 610L(2) substitute, while ironically DJinTN might've even leaked the 4Runner code as 930B. It doesn't make sense at all, as "DJ" had been pretty reliable too and is why I trusted him as an additional source. Very concrete and straight to the point, no filler.
Toyota did idealize expansion of TMMGT production volume to 300,000 units by 2025 (1, 2), but that was envisioned years ago. They are 15 months out from Job 1 and I don't see any sufficient evidence, to support his intel on some shift to Mexico. It's cutting very close at 15 months, zero announcement.
Maybe I'm imagining it, but I feel the main Tier 1 supplier source dances away from answering those MX vs JPN questions nowadays or maybe I am too 2nd-hand embarrassed to ask him, on the belief it was bad info.
Per example, I'll refer to how early Toyota usually reveals their production location changes.
Back in 2016-17, I learned about Toyota wanting to build the Lexus NX in Canada by the next generation (current model). The 1st generation model was approaching midcycle and as usual, I then turn my focus to next gen plans.
I was worried I might be providing bad info in being too early, but then Toyota shockingly announced this to be fact here, in April 2019. As a young engineer rising up the ranks and settling in a new job, for the first time stateside, I was shocked that the information I secretly discovered years earlier was correct from outside of Toyota official channels.
No one at Toyota confirmed that for me in 2016-17, as my discovery was reminiscent of some of the sleuthing I see from other members here. The media knew absolutely nothing for 2 more years, but I shared it in June 2017 on a Lexus forum my findings. Luckily it turned out to be true, as Canada production did begin in March of 2022.
I only didn't realize in 2016-17 that the 2G NX would adopt midsize TNGA-K, not compact TNGA-C. Like I have been hypothesizing for the 6G 4Runner, this came after JPN production began in Q3 2021.
Toyota had also announced on April 19, 2013 prior to the NX shift, the production shift of Americas Lexus ES 350 assembly from Japan to the Camry Kentucky factory of TMMK back in 2013. First units didn't roll off until October 19, 2015, exactly 30 months or 2.5 years to the exact day of announcement.
With the Sequoia, they announced on January 17, 2020 (1)(2) the new production shift of the Sequoia to TMMTX in San Antonio, Texas, pushing out Tacoma production (since 2010). It came to fruition in Q3 2022 (July), albeit with some serious hiccups that delayed dealer launch apparently to October 2022.
Toyota clearly has set a pattern of 2-3 years in advance, for announcing production location changes. Obviously, I smell BS. Unless that the 4Runner won't be built in Mexico until the 2026 MY, I am not buying that theory one bit anymore.
Although it will be a challenge, I imagine it will stay in Tahara until proven otherwise by Toyota announcing a production location shift. 15 months is not enough time per their standards, but it's not unheard of?
Toyota back in 2020, might have indeed announced Sequoia pushing out Tacoma production, but I believe they refused to directly address Tacoma shift to 100% Mexico production.
In fact, when the last Tacoma was built at TMMTX in September 2021, there was no special ceremony acknowledging it at all. Sure there was COVID, but that's a BS excuse nonetheless.
I didn't even find out about the end of Texas production, as investigative as I am, until January 2022. Toyota basically sidestepped that production move, unlike the big story they gave the Tacoma production shift from NUMMI in Fremont, California in March 2010 (to TMMTX in the summer of 2010).
I'd say that the person in charge of their press announcements in September 2021 and also the press chief at TMMTX, purposely sidestepped that production shift from 20-33% USA to 100% Mexico and hoped Tacoma pickup truck buyers wouldn't really notice...
And they wouldn't have, if I didn't remind them about it myself or some of 'em checking the window sticker/door jam to notice on other '22 models next to zero 2022s being assembled at TMMTX.
I wouldn't put it past Toyota either, to quietly retool TMMGT for a new 4Runner and disclose it last minute in a low key capacity, to save face. I guess we'll see, what they do?
For the 2025 4Runner, I vote for Tahara start of production from July 2024 as previously stated, but my source is the one who gave me that Job 1 date in the first place and if it's right, then why does he have the wrong factory, but keeps proving dead accurate on several other things? We'll see, we'll see...
A late January 2024 reveal is what you should expect. RAV4 will follow in 12 months time it seems.
If you wanna chat further, send me a PM. I'm generally not gonna be posting publicly. Glad that on Tuesday, 1 of 4 new TNGA-F vehicles will debut, because F the bad info I was purposely sent on the Tacoma to make me look foolish.
I don't believe that the V6 carries over nor the fact on Tacoma World, that now-deleted Tier 1 supplier poster (DJinTN) possibly told me false information, on how the 2.7L I4 would continue for 2 years. Then he disappeared into thin air...(sighs)
Refused to answer any further questions regarding 2GR in private, cutting me off and then vanished before I respond in kind. He's not the only one...
Also, I admit that I might have overreacted to a post in this forum a few pages back, my previous one. The core points I intended to make, I still stand behind them. I was quite livid at the implication I am lying about the future of the 4Runner and making shit up. I've thankfully seen the proof otherwise. They've delayed it multiple times internally, but are still committed to the nameplate and Land Cruiser too.
Unlike my bad powertrain info, 4Runner info doesn't appear to be shared in bad faith, like with powertrain info on the Tacoma. Something very embarrassing to face, considering the hard time I give David Chao at Automotive Press. I didn't see it coming, seeing as I took a very conservative approach prior to December 2022 on discussing all insight, especially powertrain details.
Now, although my other Tier 1 source has done his best to keep me informed on the 4Runner, I am not sure I trust his (good faith) insight on the production shift to Mexico for the 2025 4Runner.
Source doesn't even have the program codes. They get the 610L(2) substitute, while ironically DJinTN might've even leaked the 4Runner code as 930B. It doesn't make sense at all, as "DJ" had been pretty reliable too and is why I trusted him as an additional source. Very concrete and straight to the point, no filler.
Toyota did idealize expansion of TMMGT production volume to 300,000 units by 2025 (1, 2), but that was envisioned years ago. They are 15 months out from Job 1 and I don't see any sufficient evidence, to support his intel on some shift to Mexico. It's cutting very close at 15 months, zero announcement.
Maybe I'm imagining it, but I feel the main Tier 1 supplier source dances away from answering those MX vs JPN questions nowadays or maybe I am too 2nd-hand embarrassed to ask him, on the belief it was bad info.
Per example, I'll refer to how early Toyota usually reveals their production location changes.
Back in 2016-17, I learned about Toyota wanting to build the Lexus NX in Canada by the next generation (current model). The 1st generation model was approaching midcycle and as usual, I then turn my focus to next gen plans.
I was worried I might be providing bad info in being too early, but then Toyota shockingly announced this to be fact here, in April 2019. As a young engineer rising up the ranks and settling in a new job, for the first time stateside, I was shocked that the information I secretly discovered years earlier was correct from outside of Toyota official channels.
No one at Toyota confirmed that for me in 2016-17, as my discovery was reminiscent of some of the sleuthing I see from other members here. The media knew absolutely nothing for 2 more years, but I shared it in June 2017 on a Lexus forum my findings. Luckily it turned out to be true, as Canada production did begin in March of 2022.
I only didn't realize in 2016-17 that the 2G NX would adopt midsize TNGA-K, not compact TNGA-C. Like I have been hypothesizing for the 6G 4Runner, this came after JPN production began in Q3 2021.
Toyota had also announced on April 19, 2013 prior to the NX shift, the production shift of Americas Lexus ES 350 assembly from Japan to the Camry Kentucky factory of TMMK back in 2013. First units didn't roll off until October 19, 2015, exactly 30 months or 2.5 years to the exact day of announcement.
With the Sequoia, they announced on January 17, 2020 (1)(2) the new production shift of the Sequoia to TMMTX in San Antonio, Texas, pushing out Tacoma production (since 2010). It came to fruition in Q3 2022 (July), albeit with some serious hiccups that delayed dealer launch apparently to October 2022.
Toyota clearly has set a pattern of 2-3 years in advance, for announcing production location changes. Obviously, I smell BS. Unless that the 4Runner won't be built in Mexico until the 2026 MY, I am not buying that theory one bit anymore.
Although it will be a challenge, I imagine it will stay in Tahara until proven otherwise by Toyota announcing a production location shift. 15 months is not enough time per their standards, but it's not unheard of?
Toyota back in 2020, might have indeed announced Sequoia pushing out Tacoma production, but I believe they refused to directly address Tacoma shift to 100% Mexico production.
In fact, when the last Tacoma was built at TMMTX in September 2021, there was no special ceremony acknowledging it at all. Sure there was COVID, but that's a BS excuse nonetheless.
I didn't even find out about the end of Texas production, as investigative as I am, until January 2022. Toyota basically sidestepped that production move, unlike the big story they gave the Tacoma production shift from NUMMI in Fremont, California in March 2010 (to TMMTX in the summer of 2010).
I'd say that the person in charge of their press announcements in September 2021 and also the press chief at TMMTX, purposely sidestepped that production shift from 20-33% USA to 100% Mexico and hoped Tacoma pickup truck buyers wouldn't really notice...
And they wouldn't have, if I didn't remind them about it myself or some of 'em checking the window sticker/door jam to notice on other '22 models next to zero 2022s being assembled at TMMTX.
I wouldn't put it past Toyota either, to quietly retool TMMGT for a new 4Runner and disclose it last minute in a low key capacity, to save face. I guess we'll see, what they do?
For the 2025 4Runner, I vote for Tahara start of production from July 2024 as previously stated, but my source is the one who gave me that Job 1 date in the first place and if it's right, then why does he have the wrong factory, but keeps proving dead accurate on several other things? We'll see, we'll see...
A late January 2024 reveal is what you should expect. RAV4 will follow in 12 months time it seems.
If you wanna chat further, send me a PM. I'm generally not gonna be posting publicly. Glad that on Tuesday, 1 of 4 new TNGA-F vehicles will debut, because F the bad info I was purposely sent on the Tacoma to make me look foolish.
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Thank you for this info. The Canadian International Auto Show is usually in February every year... I hope they can squeeze in the 4runner in there!
It's hard to believe that we're in Q2 of 2023 already. When you think about it, January 2024 is not a long ways off...
Surprising that the Toyota Pressroom hasn't had anything about a Tacoma announcement tomorrow (4/4). The NY Auto Show press days are on 4/5 and 4/6, but Toyota isn't scheduled to make any announcements, according to their website.
Media and Press - New York International Auto Show
Maybe it'll just be another teaser? Or the reveal of the date for the reveal? Or Toyota just playing with everyone with that license plate in the photo?
In any case, I'm back to ordering a bZ4X and going full EV until the next 4Runner tempts me.
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