05-14-2016, 10:51 PM
|
#1
|
|
Member
|
|
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Littleton, CO
Posts: 113
Real Name: Max
|
|
|
Member
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Littleton, CO
Posts: 113
Real Name: Max
|
Rear Main Seal - Replacement Has a Gasket?
2000 4Runner SR5 3.4 5-speed manual...
I'm in the middle of a clutch replacement, and had decided to do the rear main while I'm in there.
I ordered a Fel-Pro gasket from Amazon, and it comes with a gasket:
When I removed my rear main today I noticed there is no gasket. My Haynes manual makes no reference to using a gasket, just RTV gasket maker (which I purchased and have on hand).
Question: Should I just discard the gasket? Or is this some improvement on the stock implementation?
__________________
----------------------
2000 4Runner SR5 5-speed manual e-locker, 231mm Tundra brake upgrade, OME 881/890 Suspension, Stubbs Rock Sliders, TRD Supercharger
2022 Highlander
2002 Dodge Ram 1500
|
|
 Reply With Quote
|
|
05-14-2016, 11:54 PM
|
#2
|
|
Member
|
|
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 709
|
|
|
Member
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 709
|
I used a Victor Reinz rear main seal which came with a paper gasket. I threw away the gasket and just used RTV. RTV seals better against surface imperfections and remains more pliable over time whereas some gaskets get old and crusty. Also with the rear main, you'll have to use RTV on the bottom edge contacting the oil pan anyways.
|
|
|
Reply With Quote
|
|
05-15-2016, 10:09 AM
|
#3
|
|
Member
|
|
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Littleton, CO
Posts: 113
Real Name: Max
|
|
|
Member
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Littleton, CO
Posts: 113
Real Name: Max
|
one thing leading to another...
My own research on this revealed a significant number of thread where folks experienced leaks within days of installing non-OEM (several Fel-Pro) gaskets. 
The transmission pull and clutch removal is such a PITA, I have decided to wait for the dealer to open tomorrow and pick up a Toyota OEM rear main seal.
It's just not worth the anxiety and (added) potential for failure when I'm doing it myself.
__________________
----------------------
2000 4Runner SR5 5-speed manual e-locker, 231mm Tundra brake upgrade, OME 881/890 Suspension, Stubbs Rock Sliders, TRD Supercharger
2022 Highlander
2002 Dodge Ram 1500
|
|
|
Reply With Quote
|
|
05-15-2016, 11:26 AM
|
#4
|
 |
Senior Member
|
|
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Florida
Posts: 1,749
Real Name: Ivan
|
|
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Florida
Posts: 1,749
Real Name: Ivan
|
The main seal retainer doesn't need to come off. Just replace the seal.
__________________
2001 SR5,
thundercloud, tundra brake upgrade with 231's, 906's/billies rear, 5100's/stock coils on 4th groove front, ISR/deck plate mod, ford trans cooler mod, 99-00 grille swap, led conversion, 17" 2014 SR5 wheels wrapped with cooper AT3's, 265/70/17
|
|
|
Reply With Quote
|
|
05-15-2016, 11:40 AM
|
#5
|
|
Member
|
|
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 709
|
|
|
Member
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 709
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by 01thunder
The main seal retainer doesn't need to come off. Just replace the seal.
|
It's a large seal and it's easier to get a straight fit if you take the retainer off and press the seal while off the engine. The sealant on the retainer is old and stiff so you might as well replace that while you're in there.
|
|
|
Reply With Quote
|
|
05-15-2016, 01:20 PM
|
#6
|
|
Member
|
|
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Littleton, CO
Posts: 113
Real Name: Max
|
|
|
Member
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Littleton, CO
Posts: 113
Real Name: Max
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by nobb
It's a large seal and it's easier to get a straight fit if you take the retainer off and press the seal while off the engine. The sealant on the retainer is old and stiff so you might as well replace that while you're in there.
|
Yeah... it's already off.
The RTV I have is Permatex Gear Oil RTV Gasket Maker. Is this appropriate to this application? Or should I use something else?
__________________
----------------------
2000 4Runner SR5 5-speed manual e-locker, 231mm Tundra brake upgrade, OME 881/890 Suspension, Stubbs Rock Sliders, TRD Supercharger
2022 Highlander
2002 Dodge Ram 1500
|
|
|
Reply With Quote
|
|
05-15-2016, 01:34 PM
|
#7
|
|
Member
|
|
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 709
|
|
|
Member
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 709
|
No, that's for differentials. You should be using the black one...Permatex Ultra.
|
|
|
Reply With Quote
|
|
05-15-2016, 01:57 PM
|
#8
|
|
Member
|
|
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Littleton, CO
Posts: 113
Real Name: Max
|
|
|
Member
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Littleton, CO
Posts: 113
Real Name: Max
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by nobb
No, that's for differentials. You should be using the black one...Permatex Ultra.
|
Probably saved me some trouble. I'll go grab the Ultra.
__________________
----------------------
2000 4Runner SR5 5-speed manual e-locker, 231mm Tundra brake upgrade, OME 881/890 Suspension, Stubbs Rock Sliders, TRD Supercharger
2022 Highlander
2002 Dodge Ram 1500
|
|
|
Reply With Quote
|
|
05-15-2016, 02:30 PM
|
#9
|
|
Senior Member
|
|
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Florida
Posts: 1,749
Real Name: Ivan
|
|
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Florida
Posts: 1,749
Real Name: Ivan
|
or the gray. it is similar to the factory one. that is all i use.
__________________
2001 SR5,
thundercloud, tundra brake upgrade with 231's, 906's/billies rear, 5100's/stock coils on 4th groove front, ISR/deck plate mod, ford trans cooler mod, 99-00 grille swap, led conversion, 17" 2014 SR5 wheels wrapped with cooper AT3's, 265/70/17
|
|
|
Reply With Quote
|
|
05-15-2016, 04:04 PM
|
#10
|
 |
Member
|
|
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Orange County, CA
Posts: 556
|
|
|
Member
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Orange County, CA
Posts: 556
|
Why not use the best: Toyota FIPG Especially on such a critical area?
__________________
'96 T4R SR5 V6 Auto 2WD 329,000 miles
Last edited by RS Dude; 05-15-2016 at 04:07 PM.
|
|
|
Reply With Quote
|
|
05-15-2016, 06:05 PM
|
#11
|
 |
Senior Member
|
|
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: Marietta, Georgia
Posts: 1,500
|
|
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: Marietta, Georgia
Posts: 1,500
|
I wonder if there's a difference in the Toyota F.I.P.G material because...
pn# 0029500103 comes up as F.I.P.G for oil pan
&
pn# 0029501281 comes up as F.I.P.G for trans pan
__________________
1. Black 2002 SR5 4x4 5vz: Front Toytec Ultimate coilovers/eibach 600#, SPC UCA, durobumps Rear Bil5100/Superflex, SS adjustable panhard, PCK, durobumps Body Lift 2" 4crawler Tires 315/75/16 BFG KO2 Wheels SCS F5 Matte black 16x8 3.5bs Armor Custom bolt on rock sliders (no frame drilling)
2. Black 2001 SR5 4x4 5vz: stock
3. Black 2018 TRD Pro (wife’s): Armor Custom bolt on rock sliders (U-bolts)
|
|
|
Reply With Quote
|
|
09-03-2016, 09:44 AM
|
#12
|
 |
Senior Member
|
|
Join Date: May 2014
Location: Nowhere
Posts: 1,310
Real Name: Josh
|
|
|
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2014
Location: Nowhere
Posts: 1,310
Real Name: Josh
|
Going to resurrect this thread since I have some questions and I don't want to start a new one.
When doing the rear main seal it would obviously be a horrible idea to use a paper gasket like that. Now with that said, if you put the FIPG on where it bolts together. Who's to say it's going to line up perfect the first time? Or is there a way to make sure it does so that when the engine and tranny are pressed together that it all lines up just right.
__________________
1999 Toyota 4Runner SR5 - Icon CDCV 2.5's, SCS Matte Black SR8 wheels, Audio overhaul (Alpine CDE-HD149BT, Kicker CS65s up front and CS5s in back
My build thread: http://www.toyota-4runner.org/3rd-ge...ack-pearl.html
2015 Toyota 4Runner Trail Premium traded for 2015 Ford F-250 Super Duty
Quote:
Originally Posted by StreetCreeper
And you also tell him that right before Absalom smokes them on the trail—he skins them first and fashions their dirty lifeless hides into camp-hats to keep warm at nite...
|
|
|
|
Reply With Quote
|
|
09-03-2016, 11:20 AM
|
#13
|
 |
Member
|
|
Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: Vancouver
Posts: 126
|
|
|
Member
Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: Vancouver
Posts: 126
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by jstim
Going to resurrect this thread since I have some questions and I don't want to start a new one.
When doing the rear main seal it would obviously be a horrible idea to use a paper gasket like that. Now with that said, if you put the FIPG on where it bolts together. Who's to say it's going to line up perfect the first time? Or is there a way to make sure it does so that when the engine and tranny are pressed together that it all lines up just right.
|
Take a look at this pic of a rear main seal, you can see the FIPG around the edges. There is no issues with the transmission and engine mating when doing this job.
I just replaced mine when I installed a new clutch kit and did not replace with a Toyota gasket. Fingers crossed that I dont have any issues. I did not take the retaining plate off. I used a wood screw in the seal and then pulled out the seal, no bolts were disturbed. You can just press in the new seal afterwards. I used a bit of grease on it for an easier install, once again I hope this doesnt cause issues
__________________
1997 4Runner 5 Speed E-Locker
|
|
|
Reply With Quote
|
|
09-03-2016, 01:36 PM
|
#14
|
|
Senior Member
|
|
Join Date: May 2014
Location: Nowhere
Posts: 1,310
Real Name: Josh
|
|
|
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2014
Location: Nowhere
Posts: 1,310
Real Name: Josh
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by bentos1
Take a look at this pic of a rear main seal, you can see the FIPG around the edges. There is no issues with the transmission and engine mating when doing this job.
I just replaced mine when I installed a new clutch kit and did not replace with a Toyota gasket. Fingers crossed that I dont have any issues. I did not take the retaining plate off. I used a wood screw in the seal and then pulled out the seal, no bolts were disturbed. You can just press in the new seal afterwards. I used a bit of grease on it for an easier install, once again I hope this doesnt cause issues |
The job itself seems pretty easy then. Its just the pulling the entire tranny out just to get to it. That kind of sucks, but I guess you have to do it.
__________________
1999 Toyota 4Runner SR5 - Icon CDCV 2.5's, SCS Matte Black SR8 wheels, Audio overhaul (Alpine CDE-HD149BT, Kicker CS65s up front and CS5s in back
My build thread: http://www.toyota-4runner.org/3rd-ge...ack-pearl.html
2015 Toyota 4Runner Trail Premium traded for 2015 Ford F-250 Super Duty
Quote:
Originally Posted by StreetCreeper
And you also tell him that right before Absalom smokes them on the trail—he skins them first and fashions their dirty lifeless hides into camp-hats to keep warm at nite...
|
|
|
|
Reply With Quote
|
|
01-02-2017, 04:23 PM
|
#15
|
|
Senior Member
|
|
Join Date: May 2014
Location: Nowhere
Posts: 1,310
Real Name: Josh
|
|
|
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2014
Location: Nowhere
Posts: 1,310
Real Name: Josh
|
Does anyone have the part number for the rear main seal? I want an OEM rear main....and do I need anything other than the rear main seal?
Edit: Here is the OEM Rear main seal part number :90311-A0027
__________________
1999 Toyota 4Runner SR5 - Icon CDCV 2.5's, SCS Matte Black SR8 wheels, Audio overhaul (Alpine CDE-HD149BT, Kicker CS65s up front and CS5s in back
My build thread: http://www.toyota-4runner.org/3rd-ge...ack-pearl.html
2015 Toyota 4Runner Trail Premium traded for 2015 Ford F-250 Super Duty
Quote:
Originally Posted by StreetCreeper
And you also tell him that right before Absalom smokes them on the trail—he skins them first and fashions their dirty lifeless hides into camp-hats to keep warm at nite...
|
Last edited by jstim; 01-03-2017 at 02:09 PM.
|
|
|
Reply With Quote
|
Posting Rules
|
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is On
|
|
|
|
Linear Mode
