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Old 07-30-2019, 04:28 PM #1
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Passenger rear wheel out of alignment??

I took my runner to Firestone to get an alignment since I have their lifetime alignment service (seriously considering switching to discount tire). I just got my vehicle back about 10 minutes ago.



They told me that they could not perform the alignment on the front because the rear passenger wheel's toe angle is -3.35 degrees out of alignment. They didn't offer me any solutions as to what would be the cause of this. They only said, "take it to a frame shop".



I do have a lift installed



Front:

Bilstein 5100 Height Adjustable Shocks (24-248730)

Toytec Front Lift Coil Springs (112-620)

Toytec Differential Drop (TAC-DR)



Rear:

Bilstein 5100 Long Travel Rear Shocks (9602E703)

Stock Land Cruiser 8 Wrap Rear Coils



I will note that I do not have a pan hard drop bracket or an adjustable pan hard bar installed. I am having eimkeith’s pan hard correction kit ( https://www.toyota-4runner.org/for-sale-suspension-wheels-tires/230779-fs-eimkeith-pck-panhard-correction-kits-3rd-gen-$89-4th-5th-gen-$93-50-a.html ) welded in place on the 12th of this month. I have another alignment scheduled for the 13th of this month.



Do you think the pan hard bar could be the cause of this? Upon visual inspection of the wheel, I can clearly see the wheel sitting in the wheel well at an angle. The front of the tire protrudes further out of the wheel well than the rear. I attempted to take a photo of this but I’m not sure how well you can tell.



Are there any other potential causes for this? I am headed outside to take the wheel off and check things out, but I wanted to get this posted up first.



I’ve attached a few pictures and the alignment sheet from Firestone here.



Please let me know what you think. I have family coming into town on the 16th of this month and I really need the runner to be drivable. I will post back with anything I find after getting the wheel off. TIA!
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I took my runner to Firestone to get an alignment since I have their lifetime alignment service (seriously considering switching to discount tire). I just got my vehicle back about 10 minutes ago.

They told me that they could not perform the alignment on the front because the rear passenger wheel's toe angle is -3.35 degrees out of alignment. They didn't offer me any solutions as to what would be the cause of this. They only said, "take it to a frame shop".

I do have a lift installed

Front:
Bilstein 5100 Height Adjustable Shocks (24-248730)
Toytec Front Lift Coil Springs (112-620)
Toytec Differential Drop (TAC-DR)

Rear:
Bilstein 5100 Long Travel Rear Shocks (9602E703)
Stock Land Cruiser 8 Wrap Rear Coils

I will note that I do not have a pan hard drop bracket or an adjustable pan hard bar installed. I am having eimkeith’s pan hard correction kit (https://www.toyota-4runner.org/for-sale-suspension-wheels-tires/230779-fs-eimkeith-pck-panhard-correction-kits-3rd-gen-$89-4th-5th-gen-$93-50-a.html)welded in place on the 12th of this month. I have another alignment scheduled for the 13th of this month.

Do you think the pan hard bar could be the cause of this? Upon visual inspection of the wheel, I can clearly see the wheel sitting in the wheel well at an angle. The front of the tire protrudes further out of the wheel well than the rear. I attempted to take a photo of this but I’m not sure how well you can tell.

Are there any other potential causes for this? I am headed outside to take the wheel off and check things out, but I wanted to get this posted up first.

I’ve attached a few pictures and the alignment sheet from Firestone here.

Please let me know what you think. I have family coming into town on the 16th of this month and I really need the runner to be drivable. I will post back with anything I find after getting the wheel off. TIA!
Wow! That's a lot of toe! Judging by the total difference in toe (4.08 degrees) you have a bent axle housing. If it were upper/lower control arms out of alignment the axle total toe difference would still be close (usually within a degree). If it were rear wheel bearings it would be more likely to show as camber and would make a roaring noise while driving. A bent axle shaft would be causing a crazy tire wobble that you would be able to see. My $$$ is on a bent axle housing.
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Was the truck in an accident before?
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Yea, something is way off. How long have you owned it? How long since you installed the lift components? It has to be driving wicked like that!
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Wow! That's a lot of toe! Judging by the total difference in toe (4.08 degrees) you have a bent axle housing. If it were upper/lower control arms out of alignment the axle total toe difference would still be close (usually within a degree). If it were rear wheel bearings it would be more likely to show as camber and would make a roaring noise while driving. A bent axle shaft would be causing a crazy tire wobble that you would be able to see. My $$$ is on a bent axle housing.
How can I determine if the axle housing is bent?

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Was the truck in an accident before?
The truck was rear ended a few months back. This was not a major accident and only the driver side was damaged.


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Yea, something is way off. How long have you owned it? How long since you installed the lift components? It has to be driving wicked like that!

I have owned the truck since 2013. I put the lift on in May of 2018. After the lift I got an alignment and everything was great. I get in it to drive one day (a few weeks ago) and I notice the rear end had significant body roll and in order to drive straight, I have to hold the wheel turned about 1/4 of a turn to the right. Not sure how the alignment got off, but this is why I needed an alignment to begin with.

I assumed the body roll was caused by the pan hard bar needing the correction kit installed so I wrote it off as that. Now that I have visually seen the crooked wheel, I know the body roll is being caused by this.









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I think you have a bent frame
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Whether or not it's safe to drive would depend upon how far and how fast you're going to drive it. You could drive 30 mph for a long ways, probably not far doing 80.
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I would do the repairs in 2 parts First do a spin test on your 4runner and then the new axle. Almost all the e-locked axles are 4.3. If they are both the same then concentrate on doing the rear first. Pull the axles out of the new rear end and bring them to someone who has done this before. Its critical you have someone press the new bearings and retainers to spec otherwise you will be chasing this for a while, just read up about this on this site. The brakes and control arm bushings can be done by yourself, not that hard. Change out the inner axle seal (use toyota parts if you want it to last), pop the axles in and install the whole axle. When you get the rear replaced if it has right gear ratio you can take your time with the front
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