|
View Poll Results: Is this information worth having in a single post?
|
|
Yes
|
   
|
4 |
100.00% |
|
|
|
No
|
  
|
0 |
0% |
|
|
03-18-2020, 09:06 PM
|
#31
|
 |
Senior Member
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: DFW, TX
Posts: 2,059
|
|
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: DFW, TX
Posts: 2,059
|
FWIW I've got almost 390k on Original Plug Wires and Coils. I know because I asked the PO that I bought it from, who bought the truck with 40k. He said he changed the spark plugs around 200k, and then never got around to changing them again. I'm putting OEM wires on when I do my VC gaskets. The wires themselves are fine, but the clips and protectors are all crumbling. Can't got wrong with something that lasts that long!
When I pull them, I'll post up the resistance values.
__________________
The 4Runner Show
|
|
 Reply With Quote
|
|
03-19-2020, 10:08 AM
|
#32
|
 |
Elite Member
|
|
Join Date: May 2017
Location: Western PA
Posts: 6,040
Real Name: Jon
|
|
|
Elite Member
Join Date: May 2017
Location: Western PA
Posts: 6,040
Real Name: Jon
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by 19963.4lsr5
No, lag the starter and it starts. I’ll keep an eye on its behavior. However, it’s defiantly different than before.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
|
Well that's a solution to the almost 2 second lag start if others can verify the same result. :-)
Whats the life expectancy of your style of wire? Same as the ngk densos?
I am curious what side effects would be etc.
__________________
7 3rd gens listed in the build thread (2 are parts mobiles)
Build Thread: https://www.toyota-4runner.org/3rd-g...os-builds.html
Brillo's Bucket Fluid Ex changer: https://www.toyota-4runner.org/3rd-g...ml#post3358086
Sparks Plugs Wire and Coil Information: https://www.toyota-4runner.org/3rd-g...on-5vz-fe.html
|
|
|
Reply With Quote
|
|
03-19-2020, 12:18 PM
|
#33
|
|
Elite Member
|
|
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Stouchsburg PA
Posts: 5,323
|
|
|
Elite Member
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Stouchsburg PA
Posts: 5,323
|
This morning was around two seconds
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
|
|
|
Reply With Quote
|
|
03-19-2020, 02:00 PM
|
#35
|
|
Elite Member
|
|
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Stouchsburg PA
Posts: 5,323
|
|
|
Elite Member
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Stouchsburg PA
Posts: 5,323
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by brillo_76
Ok. Thats normal. Mine hot starts real quick. Less then half second
Sent from my SM-J337V using Tapatalk
|
Yea, after it sat for around an hour it started as soon as the starter engaged.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
|
|
|
Reply With Quote
|
|
03-19-2020, 05:44 PM
|
#36
|
|
Elite Member
|
|
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Stouchsburg PA
Posts: 5,323
|
|
|
Elite Member
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Stouchsburg PA
Posts: 5,323
|
Spark Plugs Wires and Coil Information for the 5VZ-FE
At key on on American vehicles it runs the fuel pump for a few seconds to charge the fuel rail. From what I seen in the drawing and hear Toyota May only run the fuel pump then the key goes to start.
That may be the delay cranking it when it’s sat a while.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
|
|
|
Reply With Quote
|
|
03-19-2020, 07:35 PM
|
#37
|
|
Elite Member
|
|
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Pasadena, CA
Posts: 5,417
|
|
|
Elite Member
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Pasadena, CA
Posts: 5,417
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by 19963.4lsr5
At key on on American vehicles it runs the fuel pump for a few seconds to charge the fuel rail. From what I seen in the drawing and hear Toyota May only run the fuel pump then the key goes to start.
That may be the delay cranking it when it’s sat a while.
|
Yes, that is likely the case on the 4Runners. It is definitely the case on older Toyotas... (mid 90's and earlier). I have never heard the fuel pump prime, but most Toyota pumps are basically silent so it is sometimes hard to tell.
-Charlie
__________________
'99 4Runner SR5 Auto - 4WD swapped
'89 Camry Alltrac LE 3S-GTE 5spd
'17 Chevy Volt Premier
'16 Honda Odyssey Elite
Previous: '88 Camry Alltrac LE 3S-GE BEAMS, 90 Camry 3S-GTE, 90 Camry DX, '03 WRX wagon, '08 Outback XT
|
|
|
Reply With Quote
|
|
03-19-2020, 08:11 PM
|
#38
|
|
Elite Member
|
|
Join Date: May 2017
Location: Western PA
Posts: 6,040
Real Name: Jon
|
|
|
Elite Member
Join Date: May 2017
Location: Western PA
Posts: 6,040
Real Name: Jon
|
This is easy to test. Just supply power to you pump before you turn the key. If it fires instantly at cold. Then we know for certain that's the cause. I would say you guys are correct because pre EFI the float bowls would empty themselves out in a few days /week etc. This was so if the rigs set a long period of time. The carburetor would not gum up.
I could see Toyota EFI using the same principle to keep the injectors from clogging. Just dont fire the pump until needed.
The rail would be pressurized if the engine was hot and shut off for a little while and that explains exactly what we are seeing.
Sent from my SM-J337V using Tapatalk
__________________
7 3rd gens listed in the build thread (2 are parts mobiles)
Build Thread: https://www.toyota-4runner.org/3rd-g...os-builds.html
Brillo's Bucket Fluid Ex changer: https://www.toyota-4runner.org/3rd-g...ml#post3358086
Sparks Plugs Wire and Coil Information: https://www.toyota-4runner.org/3rd-g...on-5vz-fe.html
|
|
|
Reply With Quote
|
|
03-20-2020, 03:00 PM
|
#39
|
|
Elite Member
|
|
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Stouchsburg PA
Posts: 5,323
|
|
|
Elite Member
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Stouchsburg PA
Posts: 5,323
|
I’ll admit it feels more zippy with the car quest wire set that have between 1.5 K and 1.8k ohms. They have 1/3’d the resistance of the mag core set from Autozone.
Time and mpg checking will tell.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
|
|
|
Reply With Quote
|
|
03-20-2020, 05:35 PM
|
#41
|
 |
Elite Member
|
|
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Pocono Mountains
Posts: 7,498
|
|
|
Elite Member
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Pocono Mountains
Posts: 7,498
|
I can confirm for a fact (it's in the FSM) that the fuel pump is only energized when either the starter is energized or there is a signal from the crank sensor that the engine is running. Nothing happens at key on.
__________________
'99 4Runner SR5 5spd 3.4L V6 4WD(U.S), original '99 Talls in front, OME 906s in back, Hella fogs, Trekmaster shocks in front, Billy in back, no running boards, FIAMM horns, Alpine sound, Michelin LTX M/S2's, owned since new.
'97 HiLux SW4 5spd 4WD(Japan model bought in Brazil assembled in Argentina, very close to a 3.0 4Runner/Surf)
'71 FordWillys Jeep CJ5 (with straight six Ford Maverick 3.0 liter engine--lives in the mountains north of Sao Paulo Brazil)
My Backyard Frame Swap
|
|
|
Reply With Quote
|
|
03-20-2020, 06:38 PM
|
#42
|
|
Elite Member
|
|
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Stouchsburg PA
Posts: 5,323
|
|
|
Elite Member
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Stouchsburg PA
Posts: 5,323
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDurk
I can confirm for a fact (it's in the FSM) that the fuel pump is only energized when either the starter is energized or there is a signal from the crank sensor that the engine is running. Nothing happens at key on.
|
Thanks. That’s what I figured. All fuel systems have a leak down test. Even the best system will not hold pressure overnight. Toyota does thing differently than what I’m use too. Their miss-fire detection sucks.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
|
|
|
Reply With Quote
|
|
03-27-2020, 01:55 PM
|
#43
|
|
Elite Member
|
|
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Stouchsburg PA
Posts: 5,323
|
|
|
Elite Member
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Stouchsburg PA
Posts: 5,323
|
Well, with the 1k ohm per foot mag core wire set from advanced auto/car quest I got 20mpg driving for work only which is 27 miles of rural two lane roads. 501-419-322 from Myerstown PA to Hershey PA.
It’s the best I ever got but I was getting 19.2 to 19.8 before the lower ohm mag core set from CarQuest.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
|
|
|
Reply With Quote
|
|
03-27-2020, 02:01 PM
|
#44
|
|
Elite Member
|
|
Join Date: May 2017
Location: Western PA
Posts: 6,040
Real Name: Jon
|
|
|
Elite Member
Join Date: May 2017
Location: Western PA
Posts: 6,040
Real Name: Jon
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by shadow247
FWIW I've got almost 390k on Original Plug Wires and Coils. I know because I asked the PO that I bought it from, who bought the truck with 40k. He said he changed the spark plugs around 200k, and then never got around to changing them again. I'm putting OEM wires on when I do my VC gaskets. The wires themselves are fine, but the clips and protectors are all crumbling. Can't got wrong with something that lasts that long!
When I pull them, I'll post up the resistance values.
|
Thanks Shadow as I will be curious what those values are as well as the values of the original OEM wires that are being junked as a curiously. I never ran wires that long. :-)
__________________
7 3rd gens listed in the build thread (2 are parts mobiles)
Build Thread: https://www.toyota-4runner.org/3rd-g...os-builds.html
Brillo's Bucket Fluid Ex changer: https://www.toyota-4runner.org/3rd-g...ml#post3358086
Sparks Plugs Wire and Coil Information: https://www.toyota-4runner.org/3rd-g...on-5vz-fe.html
|
|
|
Reply With Quote
|
|
03-27-2020, 02:02 PM
|
#45
|
|
Elite Member
|
|
Join Date: May 2017
Location: Western PA
Posts: 6,040
Real Name: Jon
|
|
|
Elite Member
Join Date: May 2017
Location: Western PA
Posts: 6,040
Real Name: Jon
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by 19963.4lsr5
Well, with the 1k ohm per foot mag core wire set from advanced auto/car quest I got 20mpg driving for work only which is 27 miles of rural two lane roads. 501-419-322 from Myerstown PA to Hershey PA.
It’s the best I ever got but I was getting 19.2 to 19.8 before the lower ohm mag core set from CarQuest.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
|
Thanks for sharing that is excellent news. :-)
__________________
7 3rd gens listed in the build thread (2 are parts mobiles)
Build Thread: https://www.toyota-4runner.org/3rd-g...os-builds.html
Brillo's Bucket Fluid Ex changer: https://www.toyota-4runner.org/3rd-g...ml#post3358086
Sparks Plugs Wire and Coil Information: https://www.toyota-4runner.org/3rd-g...on-5vz-fe.html
|
|
|
Reply With Quote
|
Posting Rules
|
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is On
|
|
|
|
Linear Mode
