Home Menu

Site Navigation


User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 07-27-2022, 12:37 PM #16
alia176 alia176 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: East Mountains, NM
Posts: 1,210
alia176 will become famous soon enough alia176 will become famous soon enough
alia176 alia176 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: East Mountains, NM
Posts: 1,210
alia176 will become famous soon enough alia176 will become famous soon enough
Quote:
Originally Posted by 19963.4lsr5 View Post
And check the cable tightness at the starter while you’re down there.

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Copy that, the starter rebuild process took care of that.
__________________
2003 Sport V8 Icon 2" rear, Bilstein 6112 front with 700# king springs, Gibson cat back, Magnaflow cross pipe. OBA, DIY sliders, etc
1996 FZJ80 landcruiser with whole bunch of stuff, including a Turbo.
1997 4Runner SR5 - daughter's ride, slowly getting built up
alia176 is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 07-27-2022, 12:38 PM #17
alia176 alia176 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: East Mountains, NM
Posts: 1,210
alia176 will become famous soon enough alia176 will become famous soon enough
alia176 alia176 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: East Mountains, NM
Posts: 1,210
alia176 will become famous soon enough alia176 will become famous soon enough
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bad Luck View Post
I’d do a voltage drop on the positive cable to the starter while cranking too

Excellent idea, thank you!
__________________
2003 Sport V8 Icon 2" rear, Bilstein 6112 front with 700# king springs, Gibson cat back, Magnaflow cross pipe. OBA, DIY sliders, etc
1996 FZJ80 landcruiser with whole bunch of stuff, including a Turbo.
1997 4Runner SR5 - daughter's ride, slowly getting built up
alia176 is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 07-27-2022, 01:23 PM #18
19963.4lsr5 19963.4lsr5 is offline
Elite Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Stouchsburg PA
Posts: 5,335
19963.4lsr5 is a splendid one to behold 19963.4lsr5 is a splendid one to behold 19963.4lsr5 is a splendid one to behold 19963.4lsr5 is a splendid one to behold 19963.4lsr5 is a splendid one to behold 19963.4lsr5 is a splendid one to behold 19963.4lsr5 is a splendid one to behold
19963.4lsr5 19963.4lsr5 is offline
Elite Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Stouchsburg PA
Posts: 5,335
19963.4lsr5 is a splendid one to behold 19963.4lsr5 is a splendid one to behold 19963.4lsr5 is a splendid one to behold 19963.4lsr5 is a splendid one to behold 19963.4lsr5 is a splendid one to behold 19963.4lsr5 is a splendid one to behold 19963.4lsr5 is a splendid one to behold
It’s been my experience that rebuilds only replace what is broken.

They may never have greased the bendix or replaced the bearings/bushings. Just slapped a cheep contact kit and put it back on the shelf.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
19963.4lsr5 is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 07-27-2022, 04:50 PM #19
alia176 alia176 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: East Mountains, NM
Posts: 1,210
alia176 will become famous soon enough alia176 will become famous soon enough
alia176 alia176 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: East Mountains, NM
Posts: 1,210
alia176 will become famous soon enough alia176 will become famous soon enough
Quote:
Originally Posted by 19963.4lsr5 View Post
It’s been my experience that rebuilds only replace what is broken.

They may never have greased the bendix or replaced the bearings/bushings. Just slapped a cheep contact kit and put it back on the shelf.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Yeah, that's a good possibility since the PO replaced it with a Carquest unit.
__________________
2003 Sport V8 Icon 2" rear, Bilstein 6112 front with 700# king springs, Gibson cat back, Magnaflow cross pipe. OBA, DIY sliders, etc
1996 FZJ80 landcruiser with whole bunch of stuff, including a Turbo.
1997 4Runner SR5 - daughter's ride, slowly getting built up
alia176 is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 07-27-2022, 04:51 PM #20
alia176 alia176 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: East Mountains, NM
Posts: 1,210
alia176 will become famous soon enough alia176 will become famous soon enough
alia176 alia176 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: East Mountains, NM
Posts: 1,210
alia176 will become famous soon enough alia176 will become famous soon enough
Quote:
Originally Posted by SaulG View Post
Take it by any O'apazone and have battery checked with a load tester, not a DVM. Second opinion an all . . .

Yeah, not a bad idea. Orielleys' auto did it with their load tester gizmo and more than like AutoZone will have the same thing but it's always good to have second opinion.

I have a carbon pile load tester at home and the battery checked out fine.
__________________
2003 Sport V8 Icon 2" rear, Bilstein 6112 front with 700# king springs, Gibson cat back, Magnaflow cross pipe. OBA, DIY sliders, etc
1996 FZJ80 landcruiser with whole bunch of stuff, including a Turbo.
1997 4Runner SR5 - daughter's ride, slowly getting built up
alia176 is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 07-27-2022, 04:54 PM #21
19963.4lsr5 19963.4lsr5 is offline
Elite Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Stouchsburg PA
Posts: 5,335
19963.4lsr5 is a splendid one to behold 19963.4lsr5 is a splendid one to behold 19963.4lsr5 is a splendid one to behold 19963.4lsr5 is a splendid one to behold 19963.4lsr5 is a splendid one to behold 19963.4lsr5 is a splendid one to behold 19963.4lsr5 is a splendid one to behold
19963.4lsr5 19963.4lsr5 is offline
Elite Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Stouchsburg PA
Posts: 5,335
19963.4lsr5 is a splendid one to behold 19963.4lsr5 is a splendid one to behold 19963.4lsr5 is a splendid one to behold 19963.4lsr5 is a splendid one to behold 19963.4lsr5 is a splendid one to behold 19963.4lsr5 is a splendid one to behold 19963.4lsr5 is a splendid one to behold
Quote:
Originally Posted by alia176 View Post
Yeah, that's a good possibility since the PO replaced it with a Carquest unit.

The 97 project I bought needing an engine and trans came with a CarQuest Alt. Three years later the brushes were worn. So I put an OEM brush set in it. Have yet to test it. It’s my spare. My 88 Daytona needed an AC clutch so I bought a reman compressor. Yea, the compressor had a pretty paint job and the dirty clutch coil and a nick in one of its wires rendering it useless. They never even tested anything.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
19963.4lsr5 is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 07-27-2022, 08:24 PM #22
Buckaroo's Avatar
Buckaroo Buckaroo is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Lewis Center, OH
Posts: 513
Buckaroo will become famous soon enough
Buckaroo Buckaroo is offline
Member
Buckaroo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Lewis Center, OH
Posts: 513
Buckaroo will become famous soon enough
Quote:
Originally Posted by alia176 View Post
Thank you all for the ideas.

Part of me thinks it's the one year old Interstate battery because I was watching the interstate guy put his DVM on the bat terms and she went down as low as 10.7vdc during engine cranking, which the guy says "it's normal". So, he didn't want to warranty it out.
Yes, that's good. Lowest acceptable cranking voltage is 9.6v I believe. Monitoring cranking voltage is really a load test on the battery. Agree with others that said to do a voltage drop test on the cable running to the starter and make sure the connection is secure.
__________________
2000 T4R SR5 V6 (Retired) & 2005 T4R Limited V6
2002 & 2017 XLE Camry
2004 Honda Accord
2017 Tundra Limited DC 5.7L TRD 4WD
2024 Honda Pioneer 700-2 Deluxe
Buckaroo is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 07-30-2022, 09:06 AM #23
alia176 alia176 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: East Mountains, NM
Posts: 1,210
alia176 will become famous soon enough alia176 will become famous soon enough
alia176 alia176 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: East Mountains, NM
Posts: 1,210
alia176 will become famous soon enough alia176 will become famous soon enough
Well folks,

My daughter came over last night so we ran some quick checks before the monsoons hit and we ran for indoors.

Here's a video of the starter pulling 400 amps My normal DC clamp is only good for 100amp max, so I had to pull out the big gun which is 400 or 1000 amps. In the video I mistakenly said 400/100 amps.

Anyway, as you can see, the starter still cranks slowly even with a second vehicle giving it lots of juice. Charging voltage is around 13.5ish but that starter is drawing down a one year old battery quite a bit.

The clock is ticking for us to depart on Monday for Ouray, CO for a week of wheeling and camping so this might have to be what it is until we return. I have lots of prep work to do for this trip as this is the first time my 16yo daughter is taking her own 4runner with her friends and following me up there. Prepping two rigs is quite a bit of pressure so I'm prioritizing my To Do list accordingly.

If the videos give you more or different insights, please pipe up. As always, constructive feedback is always appreciated.

Video link Shared album - A. Ali - Google Photos


Cheers.

Ali
Attached Images
She's cranking slowly!-20220729_165550-small-jpg  She's cranking slowly!-20220729_170141-jpg 
__________________
2003 Sport V8 Icon 2" rear, Bilstein 6112 front with 700# king springs, Gibson cat back, Magnaflow cross pipe. OBA, DIY sliders, etc
1996 FZJ80 landcruiser with whole bunch of stuff, including a Turbo.
1997 4Runner SR5 - daughter's ride, slowly getting built up
alia176 is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 07-30-2022, 10:19 AM #24
19963.4lsr5 19963.4lsr5 is offline
Elite Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Stouchsburg PA
Posts: 5,335
19963.4lsr5 is a splendid one to behold 19963.4lsr5 is a splendid one to behold 19963.4lsr5 is a splendid one to behold 19963.4lsr5 is a splendid one to behold 19963.4lsr5 is a splendid one to behold 19963.4lsr5 is a splendid one to behold 19963.4lsr5 is a splendid one to behold
19963.4lsr5 19963.4lsr5 is offline
Elite Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Stouchsburg PA
Posts: 5,335
19963.4lsr5 is a splendid one to behold 19963.4lsr5 is a splendid one to behold 19963.4lsr5 is a splendid one to behold 19963.4lsr5 is a splendid one to behold 19963.4lsr5 is a splendid one to behold 19963.4lsr5 is a splendid one to behold 19963.4lsr5 is a splendid one to behold
She's cranking slowly!

The only specs I found on the starter are no load amps.

100a for the 1.8kw starter
90a for the 1.4kw starter

I can put my clamp on on my 97 and see what it pulls but not anytime soon


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
19963.4lsr5 is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 07-30-2022, 01:34 PM #25
Bad Luck Bad Luck is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2019
Location: Hot Springs, AR
Posts: 4,411
Real Name: Patrick
Bad Luck has a reputation beyond repute Bad Luck has a reputation beyond repute Bad Luck has a reputation beyond repute Bad Luck has a reputation beyond repute Bad Luck has a reputation beyond repute Bad Luck has a reputation beyond repute Bad Luck has a reputation beyond repute Bad Luck has a reputation beyond repute Bad Luck has a reputation beyond repute Bad Luck has a reputation beyond repute Bad Luck has a reputation beyond repute
Bad Luck Bad Luck is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2019
Location: Hot Springs, AR
Posts: 4,411
Real Name: Patrick
Bad Luck has a reputation beyond repute Bad Luck has a reputation beyond repute Bad Luck has a reputation beyond repute Bad Luck has a reputation beyond repute Bad Luck has a reputation beyond repute Bad Luck has a reputation beyond repute Bad Luck has a reputation beyond repute Bad Luck has a reputation beyond repute Bad Luck has a reputation beyond repute Bad Luck has a reputation beyond repute Bad Luck has a reputation beyond repute
That high of an amperage draw leads me to believe you have high resistance in the positive cable to the starter. Were you able to do a voltage drop on the positive cable while cranking?
__________________
2000 SR5 V6 Manual 4WD https://www.toyota-4runner.org/3rd-g...biography.html
2000 Limited V6 Auto E-Locker Sold 3/2022
Bad Luck is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 07-30-2022, 04:50 PM #26
alia176 alia176 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: East Mountains, NM
Posts: 1,210
alia176 will become famous soon enough alia176 will become famous soon enough
alia176 alia176 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: East Mountains, NM
Posts: 1,210
alia176 will become famous soon enough alia176 will become famous soon enough
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bad Luck View Post
That high of an amperage draw leads me to believe you have high resistance in the positive cable to the starter. Were you able to do a voltage drop on the positive cable while cranking?
I feel you're right and haven't had a chance to crawl under there at the moment. She's gutted the interior and I'm running wires all over the interior!!! That voltage drop check is on my to do list.
__________________
2003 Sport V8 Icon 2" rear, Bilstein 6112 front with 700# king springs, Gibson cat back, Magnaflow cross pipe. OBA, DIY sliders, etc
1996 FZJ80 landcruiser with whole bunch of stuff, including a Turbo.
1997 4Runner SR5 - daughter's ride, slowly getting built up
alia176 is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 07-30-2022, 08:08 PM #27
LittleCaesar's Avatar
LittleCaesar LittleCaesar is offline
Elite Member
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: OBX, NC and Obamaville
Posts: 6,801
LittleCaesar is just really nice LittleCaesar is just really nice LittleCaesar is just really nice LittleCaesar is just really nice
LittleCaesar LittleCaesar is offline
Elite Member
LittleCaesar's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: OBX, NC and Obamaville
Posts: 6,801
LittleCaesar is just really nice LittleCaesar is just really nice LittleCaesar is just really nice LittleCaesar is just really nice
Like @spartacus said, fuel pump is most likely the issue. Has the filter been changed lately?
LittleCaesar is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 07-30-2022, 09:31 PM #28
brillo_76's Avatar
brillo_76 brillo_76 is offline
Elite Member
 
Join Date: May 2017
Location: Western PA
Posts: 6,052
Real Name: Jon
brillo_76 has a reputation beyond repute brillo_76 has a reputation beyond repute brillo_76 has a reputation beyond repute brillo_76 has a reputation beyond repute brillo_76 has a reputation beyond repute brillo_76 has a reputation beyond repute brillo_76 has a reputation beyond repute brillo_76 has a reputation beyond repute brillo_76 has a reputation beyond repute brillo_76 has a reputation beyond repute brillo_76 has a reputation beyond repute
brillo_76 brillo_76 is offline
Elite Member
brillo_76's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2017
Location: Western PA
Posts: 6,052
Real Name: Jon
brillo_76 has a reputation beyond repute brillo_76 has a reputation beyond repute brillo_76 has a reputation beyond repute brillo_76 has a reputation beyond repute brillo_76 has a reputation beyond repute brillo_76 has a reputation beyond repute brillo_76 has a reputation beyond repute brillo_76 has a reputation beyond repute brillo_76 has a reputation beyond repute brillo_76 has a reputation beyond repute brillo_76 has a reputation beyond repute
Is the start positive cable going from the starter to the battery getting warm?

Also verify your engine block ground is good and clean just like the positive wire. As it right below the oil filter it can easily get messed up.

If it is not the Battery, nor the cables, then the only thing left is a bad starter issue..

Unless there is a pile of resistance the engine itself causing the slow spin which is extremely unlikely.
__________________
7 3rd gens listed in the build thread (2 are parts mobiles)
Build Thread: https://www.toyota-4runner.org/3rd-g...os-builds.html
Brillo's Bucket Fluid Ex changer: https://www.toyota-4runner.org/3rd-g...ml#post3358086
Sparks Plugs Wire and Coil Information: https://www.toyota-4runner.org/3rd-g...on-5vz-fe.html
brillo_76 is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 07-30-2022, 10:01 PM #29
sportscarfan's Avatar
sportscarfan sportscarfan is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: High Country, CO
Posts: 609
sportscarfan will become famous soon enough
sportscarfan sportscarfan is offline
Member
sportscarfan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: High Country, CO
Posts: 609
sportscarfan will become famous soon enough
Recently on a couple starters in my fleet, I've had to pull the brush cap off and clean up the commutator.

This is my Honda 4 wheeler - acted like the battery was dead.
Subaru did the same. Both cranked no problem after 5 seconds with the emory in the lathe.
__________________
'97 SR5 V6 4x4 | 5-speed | e-locker | 33's
sportscarfan is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 07-30-2022, 10:38 PM #30
Bad Luck Bad Luck is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2019
Location: Hot Springs, AR
Posts: 4,411
Real Name: Patrick
Bad Luck has a reputation beyond repute Bad Luck has a reputation beyond repute Bad Luck has a reputation beyond repute Bad Luck has a reputation beyond repute Bad Luck has a reputation beyond repute Bad Luck has a reputation beyond repute Bad Luck has a reputation beyond repute Bad Luck has a reputation beyond repute Bad Luck has a reputation beyond repute Bad Luck has a reputation beyond repute Bad Luck has a reputation beyond repute
Bad Luck Bad Luck is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2019
Location: Hot Springs, AR
Posts: 4,411
Real Name: Patrick
Bad Luck has a reputation beyond repute Bad Luck has a reputation beyond repute Bad Luck has a reputation beyond repute Bad Luck has a reputation beyond repute Bad Luck has a reputation beyond repute Bad Luck has a reputation beyond repute Bad Luck has a reputation beyond repute Bad Luck has a reputation beyond repute Bad Luck has a reputation beyond repute Bad Luck has a reputation beyond repute Bad Luck has a reputation beyond repute
Quote:
Originally Posted by LittleCaesar View Post
Like @spartacus said, fuel pump is most likely the issue. Has the filter been changed lately?
What does the fuel pump have to do with the slow cranking speed?
__________________
2000 SR5 V6 Manual 4WD https://www.toyota-4runner.org/3rd-g...biography.html
2000 Limited V6 Auto E-Locker Sold 3/2022
Bad Luck is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Reply

Tags
battery , checked , cranking , starter , thing


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Cranking not starting 4ranna 3rd gen T4Rs 4 02-01-2019 01:52 PM
Slow cranking 924runnerSR5 Classic T4Rs 9 11-02-2011 06:39 PM
Cranking problem cj80cruiser 3rd gen T4Rs 5 11-26-2010 10:10 AM
slow cranking over bonson 3rd gen T4Rs 16 08-15-2008 01:57 AM
12v power during cranking jimsi Engines / Suspension / Wheels / Tires / Audio / Accessories 0 10-08-2007 08:39 PM

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.2

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 06:40 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Search Engine Optimisation provided by DragonByte SEO (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2024 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Feedback Buttons provided by Advanced Post Thanks / Like (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2024 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2024 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
***This site is an unofficial Toyota site, and is not officially endorsed, supported, authorized by or affiliated with Toyota. All company, product, or service names references in this web site are used for identification purposes only and may be trademarks of their respective owners. The Toyota name, marks, designs and logos, as well as Toyota model names, are registered trademarks of Toyota Motor Corporation***Ad Management plugin by RedTyger
 
Copyright © 2020