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Support the back of the engine or it will tilt/drop down once the transmission is no longer there to support it!!!
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I do have a wood block on a floor jack under the oil pan. I hope that's enough because I think the tranny is at least partly if not completely free now. I know it budged backwards an inch or so and that's where I left it for dinner. Heading out to survey the situation now...
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I do have a wood block on a floor jack under the oil pan. I hope that's enough because I think the tranny is at least partly if not completely free now. I know it budged backwards an inch or so and that's where I left it for dinner. Heading out to survey the situation now...
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The jack will be fine for support.
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Well it's out. Phew! And I didn't break a single thing, except maybe the Harbor Freight jack lol. It's looking and acting a bit err, lopsided. Will assess in the morning.
I'd like to think the worst is behind me now, but I know better. It came out really easy, and I know it won't be that easy getting it back in.
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Well it's out. Phew! And I didn't break a single thing, except maybe the Harbor Freight jack lol. It's looking and acting a bit err, lopsided. Will assess in the morning.
I'd like to think the worst is behind me now, but I know better. It came out really easy, and I know it won't be that easy getting it back in.
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Congratulations!
Do you have a clutch alignment tool to get the clutch in it's proper position when you install it?
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Congratulations!
Do you have a clutch alignment tool to get the clutch in it's proper position when you install it?
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Yep there's one in the Aisin kit I bought. I didn't realize that until tonight. I was at the auto parts store buying brake cleaner and asked if they had one, and they said it usually comes with their clutch kits. I came home and sho nuff, there it was.
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Yep there's one in the Aisin kit I bought. I didn't realize that until tonight. I was at the auto parts store buying brake cleaner and asked if they had one, and they said it usually comes with their clutch kits. I came home and sho nuff, there it was.
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Most shops that do a particular transmission regularly will cut the input shaft off a broken trans to use. You'll have to be careful with the plastic too since there is some extra play there. When you put it back together have a *very* light film of grease on the input shaft (like, apply then wipe it off fairly well) and a bit of grease on the dowel pins too to help everything come together.
I have also used extra bellhousing bolts with the head cut off (and a slot cut in place of the head to allow removal) as alignment dowels to help too. You may also have to rotate the trans output shaft (with it in gear) slightly to get the input splines to line up with the clutch.
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Most shops that do a particular transmission regularly will cut the input shaft off a broken trans to use. You'll have to be careful with the plastic too since there is some extra play there. When you put it back together have a *very* light film of grease on the input shaft (like, apply then wipe it off fairly well) and a bit of grease on the dowel pins too to help everything come together.
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What do you mean by "be very careful" with the plastic tool? What am I trying to avoid from happening? I haven't studied the installation process in detail yet, maybe it will be obvious when I do.
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I have also used extra bellhousing bolts with the head cut off (and a slot cut in place of the head to allow removal) as alignment dowels to help too. You may also have to rotate the trans output shaft (with it in gear) slightly to get the input splines to line up with the clutch.
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Do you install the cut bolts first and use them as extra dowels, or screw them in once you have it close just to tweak the final alignment? I like the idea but might try it once without just to see if I get lucky.
I don't think I'm going to get lucky on the flywheel. I'm no expert but to me it looks like new flywheel time.
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not sure why this wouldn't attach to the post above...
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What do you mean by "be very careful" with the plastic tool? What am I trying to avoid from happening? I haven't studied the installation process in detail yet, maybe it will be obvious when I do.
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The plastic tool has much larger clearances, so you can use the 'alignment tool' and still be misaligned and have assembly issues. You can also damage the plastic if you aren't careful. Make sure you are careful to not damage it and make sure you use the tool to center it the best you can (before you tighten down the flex plate, feel the extents in each direction, and work to center it while you snug it down to hold the clutch disk)
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Do you install the cut bolts first and use them as extra dowels, or screw them in once you have it close just to tweak the final alignment? I like the idea but might try it once without just to see if I get lucky.
I don't think I'm going to get lucky on the flywheel. I'm no expert but to me it looks like new flywheel time.
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The belhousing dowels are very short. The extra bolts would be 2-3" longer and help align and hold the transmission while you are trying to slide the input shaft into the clutch - otherwise if you aren't careful you can move the clutch out of alignment or put excessive pressure on it. Some manufacturers actually use studs on a few of the engine/trans fasteners just for this reason (see: Subaru).
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any flywheel recommendations, or ones to avoid?
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For installation "rails" I have used, to good effect, a pair of axles from a small motorcycle. Most any 50-175 Honda/Yamaha/Suzuki/Kawasaki has a 12mm front axle with 1.25 thread. These are plentiful on eBay.
The photo shows such an axle with the nut still installed.
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Looking at some other forums with pics of cracked flywheels, mine doesn't look as bad as some others that people say can be machined and reused. I guess I will take it to the clutch shop and ask them, but I can't get there until Thursday. I took it to my 2 local parts stores and one (who I trust) said take it to the clutch shop for an opinion. The other, who I don't trust (Oreillys) said it was toast.
I really (no, REALLY) can't afford a new oem flywheel and I'm not sure what a good aftermarket option would be.
EDIT: found this thread Flywheel replacement brand
with a flywheel that looks pretty much like mine and Chuckles had success resurfacing it so hopefully I will too. I already read about the Luk ones and will avoid them.
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I had to wait for payday to order the rest of what I need.
Upon close inspection I decided I need a new rear main seal. Was hoping to avoid that.
I ordered everything except the shifter seats, because I don't want to pay for the OEM tranny seat, the transfer case seat doesn't come without the whole subassembly, and I don't want to pay Marlin 11 bucks shipping for 2 freeekin seats. So I'm still thinking on that.
The only thing in the transfer case was a flat rubber washer. In the tranny there was a seat on top of a flat rubber washer. One or both were leaking. The breathers seem good.
Tomorrow to HF to get their slide hammer puller kit. Hopefully my real main arrives by the weekend so I can start reassembly. My exhaust gaskets are coming from UAE so there's no big rush lol
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I have my clutch back in and am almost ready to install the tranny. But I noticed that my blocks supporting the oil pan aren't supporting it anymore. The engine has presumably shifted as a result. I don't know how much or bad this is, and I don't know if I should try to do something about it or not before installing the tranny. The only thing that looks off by eyeballing it is the front u-joint flange seems lower.
I'll check back in a day, a week or a year whenever this broken forum loads again, for your advice.
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