Home Menu

Site Navigation


User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 10-19-2014, 01:54 AM #1
rigtec's Avatar
rigtec rigtec is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Bergenfield NJ.
Posts: 2,606
Real Name: Greg
rigtec is just really nice rigtec is just really nice rigtec is just really nice rigtec is just really nice
rigtec rigtec is offline
Senior Member
rigtec's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Bergenfield NJ.
Posts: 2,606
Real Name: Greg
rigtec is just really nice rigtec is just really nice rigtec is just really nice rigtec is just really nice
Steering wheel lock (push button start) 'immobilizing the engine?

G'day tech team,

Some time ago (back in June) I went to my truck, got in and attempted to start it but it wouldn't start ("right out of the blue"). I tried again and it refused. I tried maybe ten or fifteen times; getting in and out of it, locking it and unlocking it, to sorta... 'start from scratch' each time, and the last time I tried ... it started! I even started a thread to see if anyone here had a clue as to what was wrong but the mystery remained just that, a Great mystery; even Toyota couldn't figure it out!

Well today it happened again and I believe I know what's caused this "vague, nebulous, intermittent enigma"! Not sure if any of you have experienced this trouble that I've described but today it hit me like a "Ton-O-Bricks"! Maybe someone here can convert my theory into simple fact or explanation, "Or totally disprove this theory" which is fine too (I'm not married to it) but if you're going to dis-prove my theory, please just make damn sense! Here's what I did each time it happened and I didn't make the connection then.

Every time it happened, the night before, I had twisted the steering wheel 'hard' to the extreme right (to the stops) in order to straighten the truck out in between the parking space lines; after which I held the steering wheel firmly (against the opposing resistance of the wheels until I killed the engine and the steering wheel locked)... the opposing force was tremendous once the power steering was cut as the engine shutdown. And I remember being relieved once I heard the steering lock mechanism engage so I could let go!

But today when it happened (no start) and then it finally started, I heard that lock mechanism release with a mighty ..."KA-BANG"! My theory is that when I'm trying to start it like that (with so much force on the lock mechanism), that some facet of the security system "believes" that there has been an intrusion, and the steering wheel is being 'forced to turn' while under security system domain. The "Engine immobilizer" is activated, preventing the truck from starting under these circumstances; even holding the key fob on the start button will not authorize an upstart!

Now I'm not sure what part of the security system (if any) monitors 'Steering wheel tampering' but I'm certain it has to do with that because it has only happened when I've done as I've described... and the truck shook violently when it did start and the lock release disengaged. And if you don't think that the 'SW lock' has anything to do with it, take the "rigtec challenge"... get in your truck and tweak the steering wheel hard against wheel resistance to the stops w/engine running, shut it down, listen for it to lock and see what happens... I'll bet it won't start if you've done it right. Try it a few times "If you dare"

Does anyone know if there is any aspect of this security system that monitors the "Locking steering wheel" mechanism when the vehicle is off(?); don't like basing my theory on a hunch but when that's all you've got... Thanks guys/gals, rgds!

rig, cheers
__________________
2012 Limited (in bliz) Black leather interior.

Commercial hvac diagnostics/electrical specialist (Steamfitters Journeyman Local 475)

Last edited by rigtec; 10-19-2014 at 02:41 PM.
rigtec is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 10-19-2014, 04:21 AM #2
3wbdriver's Avatar
3wbdriver 3wbdriver is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: West rural Louisiana
Age: 65
Posts: 2,458
Real Name: CJ
3wbdriver will become famous soon enough
3wbdriver 3wbdriver is offline
Senior Member
3wbdriver's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: West rural Louisiana
Age: 65
Posts: 2,458
Real Name: CJ
3wbdriver will become famous soon enough
I don't have one of those high falootin' push button starts, but when my steering wheel is bound up against the key lock I have to use a slight turn in the steering to get the key to turn. It may be possible yours is the same way despite the fact you don't have to use the key? Mine doesn't even have to be at full lock. It just needs to have had some wheel return to bind up the lock plate in the column. Like I may have had a little left turn applied as I turned of the key and when I slacked off the steering it pushed against the lock plate.
__________________

2014 Trail Edition -
Build Thread
2015 Epic in my own mind trip
3wbdriver is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 10-19-2014, 09:39 AM #3
Ezlife45 Ezlife45 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Louisiana
Posts: 344
Ezlife45 will become famous soon enough
Ezlife45 Ezlife45 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Louisiana
Posts: 344
Ezlife45 will become famous soon enough
I agree with 3BW...

I've had vehicles where you can't turn the key until you "help" the release by pulling on the steering wheel. I would not say it's the engine immobilizer rather the same gizmos that can't release because they are in a bind.

Try it again and turn the wheel to see if it starts right up. I don't think the steering wheel lock was intended to release under a bind.
Ezlife45 is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 10-19-2014, 10:16 AM #4
Saker's Avatar
Saker Saker is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Near Baton Rouge, LA
Age: 70
Posts: 4,062
Saker has much to be proud of Saker has much to be proud of Saker has much to be proud of Saker has much to be proud of Saker has much to be proud of Saker has much to be proud of Saker has much to be proud of Saker has much to be proud of Saker has much to be proud of
Saker Saker is offline
Senior Member
Saker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Near Baton Rouge, LA
Age: 70
Posts: 4,062
Saker has much to be proud of Saker has much to be proud of Saker has much to be proud of Saker has much to be proud of Saker has much to be proud of Saker has much to be proud of Saker has much to be proud of Saker has much to be proud of Saker has much to be proud of
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezlife45 View Post
I agree with 3BW...

I've had vehicles where you can't turn the key until you "help" the release by pulling on the steering wheel. I would not say it's the engine immobilizer rather the same gizmos that can't release because they are in a bind.

Try it again and turn the wheel to see if it starts right up. I don't think the steering wheel lock was intended to release under a bind.
I am also in agreement with these other 2 Louisianians (coincidence ), as I have had the same thing happen with my T4R.
__________________
Best Regards,
Saker


2021 T4R *MIDNIGHT BLACK METALLIC* TRD OFF ROAD PREMIUM 4X4| Saker’s Ebony Build | Saker’s Previous 2014 Midnight Build | Scuba Mod | LED LIGHT BAR INSTALL | Saker's EBRs Photos Updated 05-21-16| Saker's Previous 2013 FJ TT/SE
Saker is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 10-19-2014, 03:31 PM #5
rigtec's Avatar
rigtec rigtec is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Bergenfield NJ.
Posts: 2,606
Real Name: Greg
rigtec is just really nice rigtec is just really nice rigtec is just really nice rigtec is just really nice
rigtec rigtec is offline
Senior Member
rigtec's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Bergenfield NJ.
Posts: 2,606
Real Name: Greg
rigtec is just really nice rigtec is just really nice rigtec is just really nice rigtec is just really nice
Hi Gents,

And thanks for chiming in. Yes I'm inclined to agree with all statements posted by 3w, @Ezlife45 and @Saker but with one critical distinction regarding this scenario.

Quote:
Originally Posted by 3wbdriver View Post

"I don't have one of those high falootin' push button starts, but when my steering wheel is bound up against the key lock I have to use a slight turn in the steering to get the key to turn..."
Hi 3w,

The problem that you describe is directly related to the "Lock cylinder, locking mechanism (Latch shaft), and all mechanical linkages in between"; that is ALL mechanical. If there's any pressure on those parts due to steering angle and/or wheel position, the lock cylinder will be difficult to turn as a result of friction imposed upon these parts. I do believe that, that is 'a part' of what's happening to mine when I parked that way, but I made a distinction because my "Engine immobilizer" becomes activated at this point in an effort (I truly believe) to prevent lock tampering/auto theft... my 1980 Olds (Regency) 98 would do the same as you've described when I shut it off w/ the front tire positioned against the curb. So yes I do agree with your exemplary comparison! Thanks all, rgds!

rig, Best
__________________
2012 Limited (in bliz) Black leather interior.

Commercial hvac diagnostics/electrical specialist (Steamfitters Journeyman Local 475)

Last edited by rigtec; 10-19-2014 at 07:35 PM.
rigtec is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 01-08-2020, 11:05 PM #6
Youngerarlaw Youngerarlaw is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Lake Oswego, Oregon
Posts: 104
Youngerarlaw is on a distinguished road
Youngerarlaw Youngerarlaw is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Lake Oswego, Oregon
Posts: 104
Youngerarlaw is on a distinguished road
Mine is in the shop as I can't get it unlocked

My 2013 Limited was towed from my house today. I recently have been having the problem of not starting. I do not know if the locked steering wheel is the symptom or the problem. Steering wheel was locked and I could not get it to free. FOB batteries are good and tried them both. Lights up, just locked and won't do shit. Any ideas would be helpful.
Youngerarlaw is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
TRD Push Button Start....can it be added? TOY2G General Discussions 20 10-20-2017 01:04 AM
RFID Keyless Entry, Push Button Start and Remote Start BFLAN 5th gen T4Rs 41 04-17-2012 09:36 PM
Those with push button start 4ShoreRunner 5th gen T4Rs 7 06-30-2011 03:44 PM

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.2

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 01:50 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Search Engine Optimisation provided by DragonByte SEO (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2024 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Feedback Buttons provided by Advanced Post Thanks / Like (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2024 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2024 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
***This site is an unofficial Toyota site, and is not officially endorsed, supported, authorized by or affiliated with Toyota. All company, product, or service names references in this web site are used for identification purposes only and may be trademarks of their respective owners. The Toyota name, marks, designs and logos, as well as Toyota model names, are registered trademarks of Toyota Motor Corporation***Ad Management plugin by RedTyger
 
Copyright © 2020